couldn't put it better myself
My daughter had her phone stolen tonight by a girl she knows of from school, she took it and ran off.
I picked her up and we drove around, then I saw a few 'kids' and asked if they knew here, they then told me where she lives and we went to
her house. Spoke to her mum, who was so apologetic but couldn't get in touch with her daughter.
Now, my daughter phoned to police to report it and she was given a reference number.
2 hours later I phoned them and asked if they were coming out to take a statement and maybe look for her. They told me they'll be here tomorrow
at 10:00.
Why? why wait? The girl has my daughters phone, we know who she is and where she lives.
Rant over (at least online, I'm still ranting offline)
grumble, bah etc.
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Originally posted by RoadkillUK
Why? why wait? The girl has my daughters phone, we know who she is and where she lives.
even looking at this cynically, its amazing they don't pursue stuff like this as its an easy close and must be good for their crime figures.
Hope she gets its back mate.
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Originally posted by liam.mccaffrey
even looking at this cynically, its amazing they don't pursue stuff like this as its an easy close and must be good for their crime figures.
did you leave you contact details with the girls mum, i would have told her to ring you as soon as her daughter got back, then go straight round there and demand it back, were there any witnesses to the crime? if it was just the two of them, then i hate to say it but the police could see it as your daughters word against hers.
Lost my phone in a shop. Worked it out afterwards - a chav stood close to me and dumped packets of crisps on the counter - and my mobile. I left the
shop and it was too late when I realised. I reported it and made a statement and the police left it 7 days before doing anything - just late enough
that the cctv was erased.
But break the speed limit and its a different matter...
As Mr Henderson said in the great scheme of things it's prioritised as not that urgent. After all, you don't know what else they're
having to deal with tonight. It isn't a matter of life or death so the home offices set times give police time to delay these things.
Now if like several forces including mine this will be dealt with by the neighbourhood team who work 3 shifts to a day between 0700 and either
midnight or 0200.
Now, as you already know who has taken the phone and you have spoken to the mother I can only presume you have rang the police because you want to
take things further and onto prosecution. For this to happen they have to take a statement and as part of the investigation they will need the IMEI
identifying number of the phone, so they can verify that it is definitely yours when they recover it. So as it's now around 2200 hrs at night, a
Friday night that is when all the drunks are out fighting and all the kids are pissed on the streets running over cars and causing trouble then is it
maybe not acceptable to you that they wait and give you a little time to find you IMEI number, not disturb or upset you at this time of night and more
likely they won't go around to this girls house at this time of night because as siad it is pushing on a little now.
Without talking down to you do you not think that your letting the red mist come down over your eyes and becoming a little blinkered to the bigger
picture?
Whatever way, the police are following home office guidelines and this is the government that the majority have voted in.
Just a thought. Has this girl forcibly taken the phone from your daughter or has your daughter given it to her? Under any pretence, if your daughter
has willingly handed it over you're on a pretty sticky wicket.
[Edited on 27/2/09 by mistergrumpy]
[Edited on 27/2/09 by mistergrumpy]
couldn't put it better myself
The girls mother phoned me about 15 mins ago, she's been out and found her daughter, pissed up she was, told her mother to f off and legged
it.
Kids eh 
P.S. I know it's not urgent, but it's an easy job, keeps public happy (ok just me) and if they go now, there might be a chance she still
has the phone. Although she's probably 'drunk' it by the looks of things.
If her mum was receptive and intimated she would sort it out on her return home, then I wouldn't have bothered calling the Police in the first
place... wait until mum has bottomed it out one way or the other then call (if necessary). Have we lost complete hope that by dealing with each other
rationally then we might be able to resolve acts of childhood stupidity without involving officialdom?
Either way, I think that on a Friday night, the response you got was the right one... the Police should be concentrating their resources elsewhere and
dealing with minor thefts, etc on the dayshift.
Appreciate you want dealt with NOW, but so does everyone else!
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Originally posted by mr henderson
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Originally posted by RoadkillUK
Why? why wait? The girl has my daughters phone, we know who she is and where she lives.
Maybe they are thinking that it's not particularly urgent?
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Originally posted by mistergrumpy
As Mr Henderson said in the great scheme of things it's prioritised as not that urgent. After all, you don't know what else they're having to deal with tonight. It isn't a matter of life or death so the home offices set times give police time to delay these things.
Now if like several forces including mine this will be dealt with by the neighbourhood team who work 3 shifts to a day between 0700 and either midnight or 0200.
Now, as you already know who has taken the phone and you have spoken to the mother I can only presume you have rang the police because you want to take things further and onto prosecution. For this to happen they have to take a statement and as part of the investigation they will need the IMEI identifying number of the phone, so they can verify that it is definitely yours when they recover it. So as it's now around 2200 hrs at night, a Friday night that is when all the drunks are out fighting and all the kids are pissed on the streets running over cars and causing trouble then is it maybe not acceptable to you that they wait and give you a little time to find you IMEI number, not disturb or upset you at this time of night and more likely they won't go around to this girls house at this time of night because as siad it is pushing on a little now.
Without talking down to you do you not think that your letting the red mist come down over your eyes and becoming a little blinkered to the bigger picture?
Whatever way, the police are following home office guidelines and this is the government that the majority have voted in.
Just a thought. Has this girl forcibly taken the phone from your daughter or has your daughter given it to her? Under any pretence, if your daughter has willingly handed it over you're on a pretty sticky wicket.
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Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
WTF!! Are you a bloody defence lawyer??? What a load of bloody bo!!ocks!!!
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Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
WTF!! Are you a bloody defence lawyer??? What a load of bloody bo!!ocks!!!
Late night Paul? I think if you think things over rationally then you'll soon see the bigger picture. I do admit it is hard when you're
blinkered though.
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Originally posted by eznfrank
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Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
WTF!! Are you a bloody defence lawyer??? What a load of bloody bo!!ocks!!!
Eh? How do you figure that, seems to make perfect sense to me and written by someone in the know if you note the subtle reference in the post.
Storm in a tea cup. Quite a harsh response to get the police involved - do you really want a silly action to become a police prosecution? I hope not.
I'm sure most parents would be horrified if their childrens silly actions would result in a criminal conviction. This will all be sorted quick
time this morning I'm sure.
Mistergrumpy's reply was completely reasoned. We can't complain about never being able to get the police if this is considered a reasonable
use of police time.
Also, can people on this site please politely consider the thoughts of others before firing off offensive replies?
Yes that happened in Bolton. The car was taken by force by barging the driver out of the way and the fact that he drove off with the child. This is a
car jacking and kidnap.
What I was trying to say is that if said girl said can I borrow/look at your phone and the other girl said yes of course and then she went off with it
it puts the invstigation into a bit of a drawn out thing. You've got to look at every angle because without teaching you to suck eggs things are
generally not what they initially seem, there's two sides to every story. I'm not saying there's no crime mate, more focussing on the
fact that it needs looking at and will take time. Like more than that one evening.
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Originally posted by oldtimer
Also, can people on this site please politely consider the thoughts of others before firing off offensive replies?
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return to an "old school" type of policing where in this case the thief gets a ticking off in front of her parents might just stop her stealing again
I totally agree mate
Very true. My father spent his life as a copper on the streets, I think 90% of the time problems were sorted by frog marching offenders home for a lecture and a clip round the ear.
Local plod clipped me round the ear when I was a kid , he caught me scrumping. Got home and told my mum who gave me another . Bring back discipline in the home and schools and a lot of this sort of thing perhaps wouldn't happen. Hope you get it sorted
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But break the speed limit and its a different matter...
kids eh, who'd av em
Not me... if I had the little blighters then I wouldn't have the dough to waste on cars!
Ah the essentials for a school kid: pencil case, pencils, pens, calculator, mobile phone...
You say don't get the police involved, why not? I was under the impression that the girl had broken the law and stolen a phone. My daughter
eventually stopped crying after an hour, she's not only upset over losing the phone, she is also upset because there were several of the other
girls friends around her and the chance of a beating was quite high.
The girl in question has been arrested on several occasions before and as I type this she is on bail. Even if she wasn't a 'trouble
maker' I don't care, you break the law, you deal with the police.
Bottom line here is ... if you are willing to commit a crime, expect the consequences.
I phoned the girls mum this morning and she's found her daughter, and the daughter has sold the phone and spent it on booze.
I do hope she gives her a stern dressing down and mayble a slap on the wrist, nothing to harsh. Maybe the girl could make it all up by painting my
picket fence in a straw hat.
I'm off, can't tell when I'm being sarcastic or not anymore
Reminds me of when someone told me he had 3 kids. Well, 2 actually. "I hung one to set an example to the others!"
well all politics to one side, I hope your little girl is alright, and is feeling better today. 
I hope you get it sorted and that your girl is alright. Sorry if I sounded flipant earlier. The other girl is obviously in plenty of trouble/needing plenty of help.
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Originally posted by oldtimer
The other girl is obviously in plenty of trouble/needing plenty of help.
Cheers all, she's fine today, oddly enough she's looking at mobile phones
The phone was sold for £20 and the sim destroyed. The mother is sorting out the phone and hopefully should get it back.
This is what (some) children need...
FATAL BEATINGS