This evening I was travelling to pick up the missus and I went onto a roundabout in the right hand lane (correct) in order to leave on the third exit
some 275 degrees around the roundabout, when some idiot driving a spanking new morgan pulls up alongside me in the left lane, you know whats coming
don't you!
It turned out that he was planning to leave the roundabout at the same exit as I was and proceded to drive right round to his and mine exit in the
outside lane and without even indicating. This forced me to continue round the roundabout narrowly missing someone pulling out from the next exit.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!
This is one of those things which drives me insane, I am in my early 20's and percieved to be, by many older "experienced" drivers to
be reckless and dangerous on the road, where in fact there are thousands of people driving around who havn't the faintest idea of how to use a
roundabout, causing accidents and near misses. RANT OVER
My apolgies, it is somthing i feel strongly about though, and one argument for introducing driving retests and making those people who havnt'
sit the theory test.
P.S. its my birthday!!
[Edited on 29/5/04 by liam.mccaffrey]
Happy birthday.
Next time drive him off the road while sounding your horn constantly. The fucker won't do it again.
Kind regards...
White Van Man.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Happy Birthday
I'm the most mild mannered person you'll ever meet, but I would have had the fecker off the road for his cheek.
You cannot be dictated to like that.
Yes - probably an over reaction - but bad driving and bad manners must not be tolerated, because they will just keep doing it.
well if he keeps doing it his beloved morgan wont last long!!!
There seems to be a hidden market here for 007esque devices of retribution... Ideas on a postcard.
In the style of Homer Simpson,
"Mmmm, retribution"
quote:
This evening I was travelling to pick up the missus and I went onto a roundabout in the right hand lane (correct) in order to leave on the third exit some 275 degrees around the roundabout, when some idiot driving a spanking new morgan pulls up alongside me in the left lane, you know whats coming don't you!
quote:
It turned out that he was planning to leave the roundabout at the same exit as I was and proceded to drive right round to his and mine exit in the outside lane and without even indicating. This forced me to continue round the roundabout narrowly missing someone pulling out from the next exit.
According to the Highway Code he has right of way as he has not crossed
lanes... you would have! I have passed numerous tests in which I have asked the Instructer specifically about this - to which the answer is "If
you cross lanes and collide with another vehicle, YOU are at fault!" )
Sorry Hellfire but what a load of twaddle! I've can't recall ever seeing a roundabout (or "circle" if yer fae Dundee) that has
lines marked as described. Most I use daily have either no lines or spiral type lines leading to exits. Just about every morning I have a classic
roundabout fiasco at one particular spot in Edinburgh. I just find it amusing now rather than getting annoyed. These people will get what's
coming to them. Just pisses me off that my insurance premium will rise as a result.
Cheers
Seems wrong to me too.
Surely if red was going straight on (assuming all exits are dual lane) and green was trying to turn right the resulting collision would be greens
fault for entering the roundabout in the wrong lane and having to cut across the exit.
I passed me test a long time ago so stand to be corrected.
John
SeaBass - lucky you! I do 50K+ per year and see plenty of r'bouts like the one stated.
Spunky - as a witness in a fatal accident between a PSV (GREEN) and a Saxo (RED). Almost similar to the one in question - the Saxo was the one in the
wrong and he died as a consequence.
I am in agreement with the pair of you - to add more oitment to the pot... are HGV's an exception to the Highway Code?
If you give it serious thought you will see why...
TRY IT and put my theory to the test!
PS I passed my advanced test 2 months ago!
[Edited on 29-5-04 by Hellfire]
highway code
ok if I changed lanes and hit him i would be at fault but he was wrong to begin with, I i hadn't been so observant i might have hit him
he was in the left lane going on to the roundabout and not indicating which means his intention was to go straight on he didn't, and pullled
along side me when i was changing lanes, it was six of one half a dozen of the other, it may have me who was at fault in the eyes of the law but he
caused the altercation so it was his fault in real terms.
P.S don't buy a morgan their indicators don't work
[Edited on 29/5/04 by liam.mccaffrey]
Liam - by law he doesn't have to indicate his intentions. It is merely a statement of his intentions... do you pull out from a junction when a
driver is indicating his intention to pull in. Or do you wait? 
AGAIN!!!! - I agree with the statement that his is in the wrong lane!!!!!!!!
SPOT THE DELIBERATE MISTAKE!!!!!!!
THE highway code R'bout HAS NO MARKINGS!!!!!!!!!!
It does NOT state which lane you HAVE to be in - in states which lane you SHOULD be in!
What you are saying is - "if a driver pulls into my lane and collides with me - I am in the wrong"
[Edited on 29-5-04 by Hellfire]
of cousre, i agree with you completely hellfire. if you read the highway code link above it actually states that you must be aware that other road
usermay be signaling incorrectly ar not at all.
thank god I am an ok driver, some people would not have checked behind them on leaving a roundabout and had an accident.
retests should be compulsary,
my grandfather said to me once when he saw me checking my blindspot, "what are you doing its really dangerous to take yours eyes off the
road" Nuffsaid!!
IMHO - and proabably I'll get lathered for this but:
You should take a refresher Driving Test every five years - FREE at the point of service. This will have a number of effects:
it's ridiculous! quote:
my grandfather said to me once when he saw me checking my blindspot, "what are you doing its really dangerous to take yours eyes off the road" Nuffsaid!!
i couldn't have written it better myself
my grandfather passed his test in the army,
[Edited on 29/5/04 by liam.mccaffrey]
[Edited on 29/5/04 by liam.mccaffrey]
Sorry about the RANT...
<calming down now - tabs kicking in >
It's a very close issue to me doing the mileage I do, as I know a number of others do on this forum. <SG> Touch wood I have not been the
cause of an accident over the last 400,000 miles and I see at least one/day, (not always behind me either! ) fortunately the majority of which are
superficial.
99% of the time I strictly adhere to speed limits, and suffered the road rage as a consequence! BUT - as I re-instate "I have not been the cause
of an accident for 400K miles". I take regular driving courses; Advanced, Defensive, etc., etc., to reduce the probability of me having an
accident. I have been involved in 3 but not one was I more than 10% liable (in the courts eyes)
hell fire is right ish - it depends on the type of roundabout. The really big ones that are like a looped two lane road, you have to fight your way to
the outside lane to turn off. It always pisses me off when people end up beside you, but i usually just cut them up to learn them a lesson.
On small roundabouts, where there is no lane markings around it but still space for two cars, you cannot go right from the left lane.
I had a muppet bird try that one on me, doing the full 360 degrees from the left lane - she had the cheek to call me a wanker when i 'cut her
up' to turn off at the 300ish degree mark! twat...
i was a bit worried there for a minute it was getting a bit heated
i do maybe 30k a year and I am lucky enough to be travelling in an area where there seem to be not many accidents, i have been involved in one and
was completely absolved (it was on a roundabout aswell) mind you i am only 23(toady) and have been driving six years so in that respect I am quite
inexperienced, but I am a good driver and safe
good discussion
With the most respect helfire but it's the same old song again,a few idiots make a mess and the common reaction is not to remove those idiots
from the road but put everyone through a test.The chances are that,if you're lucky, you will be able to ban a few cowboys from the road but also
a lot of disabled-elderly people,people who's only means of transportation is their car.
Okay they(elderly drivers) probably can cause nasty situations from time to time but dont we all make mistakes?
If you smack your car into a tree due to the fault of somebody else it realy doesn't make much of a diff if it was a pensioner-a road cowboy or
the middleclass snob who thinks the roads where built for the sake of their Discovery's,that caused your crash.
People will allways be able to find what they are looking for and in the case of the Morgan driver,he will meet his obstacle that wasn't able to
correct his stupid behaviour.One can only hope that it's a concrete lamppost he hits instead of a tree!
quote:
Originally posted by liam.mccaffrey
it was six of one half a dozen of the other, it may have me who was at fault in the eyes of the law but he caused the altercation so it was his fault in real terms.
Im planning on doing this all the time. Im still working on my titanium tipped carbon fibre spikes, placed stategically to spike locosts as I change
lanes
This must have happend to everyone at some time. I did it to a friend of my wifes once! I knew where she worked and expected her to turn off at a
roundabout, same direction as me. We were both aiming to go off the first junction, she was on outside, and I thought id get ahead by following around
her on the inner lane..... but she went straight on, home instead of work. I got reported to 'the boss' but the friend had understood why I
did it.
Last time I saw 'the code' it says outside lane for (in a 4 junction 'bout) for first and strait ahead, inner lane for ahead and 3rd
turn.
BUT you see loads of roundabouts with white lines on em that progressively make you change lanes as you go around.
Its POSSIBLE that you could end up being cut up and its your fault if you failed to drift around ala the lines.
Think yerself lucky its not switzerland. Their rule is priority to those entering roundabout. So, there you are merrily finding your way around, while
people come harpooning on at you expecting you to get out of the way.
atb
steve
cita,
how else would you remove the idiots other than retesting, I understand your comments about elderly or dissabled drivers and how important it is for
them to get about(my own granfather) but how else could the "idiots" be educated
if an elderly or dissabled driver is driving dangerously are you saying we should turn a blind eye? You can't have one rule for some and another
for others
P.S.
Cita, I looked at you pics in the archive, interesting project, are you planning bolting the engine straight to the diff? What engine are you using?
Whats your target weight? Sorry for the Q's
[Edited on 29/5/04 by liam.mccaffrey]
Hi Liam,
I understand what you mean but a test is only a test wich only tells you that on that particular moment the driver was able to pass the test.
The day after it's again anyone's game,and believe me most of the idiots WILL pass the test and keep doing idiot things with their cars.
Most accidents are caused not because of not knowing but not doing.
I fully agree that idiots should be banned from driving but having them on the road is a thing you either except or take the consequences for actions
of the law to remove them.
More rules is very rarely the solution to solve a problem.
quote:
Originally posted by Cita
With the most respect helfire but it's the same old song again,a few idiots make a mess and the common reaction is not to remove those idiots from the road but put everyone through a test
He's 87 years old, has 50% vision without aid, has 10% hearing and is suffering
from Alzheimers. No disrespect but given a good pair of glasses and a hearing aid (WHAT?)... I rest my case. But seriously... here in the UK
you don't have a right to drive on the roads it's a priveledge. That's surely what the DT is for in the first place. Surely some
discipline has to be applied to control accidents. Hello again Liam,
sorry forgat about the bottom line of questions you asked.
The diff is only placed there to give me some visual idea.
The diff will be modified for chain drive.The intention is to use the car from time to time in hillclimb but living in Absurdistan there is not much
to look out for.
It's gonna be (hopefully) a single seat formula style car.I have not checked the weight of the frame so far but things add up quickly!!
If you have any further questions please feel free to ask
I am quite eager in fact to be convinced otherwise but what alternative is there to retests?
The current driving tests are harder than ever to pass and I think that this will make for safer roads in time
A change in mentality is the only alternative i guess.
How to achieve this...i have no clue!!!!!
Second alternative,put more police on the street with the power to confiscate a car for extremely dangerous behaviour.
Crush the f#"king thing and have the 2 x2 x 2 foot lump of iron dropped in the front yard of the owner!
Seriously i have no idea how to solve the problem of dangerous road behaviour but i'm also scary of more rules.
The wife and I ride pushbikes and we stopped at a local reservoir viewing and picnic area for a breather. An old couple (trilby and headscarf) were sat in their car and decided to get the picnic gear out, sandwiches, plates, glasses and a box of white wine. We didn't stay to see how many they had.
As motorcycle License Holder, it opened my eyes just how very poor most car drivers are (obviously as a Car driver now!) BUT one thing riding a
motorcycle does do: it opens your eyes - by the sound of it Liam - you are a ex/biker to, right? I would say most Car drivers don't lifesave
their LEFT and RIGHT shoulder, like a biker would.
Hence a biker driving a car is even safer!
toughening the test will work unfortunatly it will take an awful long time
Hellfire
i'm not a biker,but my father is and I was very interested in what he was learning when he did his bike test, he passed just before the stiffer
regs came in 6+ years ago??
I do ride a motocross bike offroad but the main reason i am very aware is because I was taught to drive by my father at the same time as he was
sitting his bike test
[Edited on 29/5/04 by liam.mccaffrey]
I've come across a lot of lemming-like roundabout behaviour recently. Typically it'll be rush hour and there will be queues coming up to a
major 4 or 5 exit roundabout and people just barge out infront of you. In one particular case I was in the shitty company vectra and a lady in a micra
just pulled out (not looking right) in such a way that if i had braked i would have hit her square in the side, so, being in 2nd gear I just booted it
and she missed my rear quarter by what must have been inches and showed no sign of emergency evasion. I was kind of gobsmacked by that.
Impatience is a bad bad thing when it comes to driving.
Also there seems to be a plague of people who's cars only seem to be capable for 40mph or 0mph. My journey to work takes me along a road which
goes past a school (30mph) then becomes a 40 and then a 60. So many people just do the whole stretch at 40!! Why?! Admittedly some tricky b-roads do
take commitment a skill to do the limit on but this is a wide, sweeping A road. I know I was ranting about impatience before so maybe i'm being
hyprocritical but the 40mph brigade really do wee me off.
toughtening the test will do nothing.
whoever passes will lapse into their own style of driving after a few months be it good or bad.
If you want regular retests, just imagine the stress of that. If you failed, it would be like a ban.
loss of job, partner, house. Just cos you forgot to mirror signal manovre.
everyone makes mistakes - most of the time small ones. Im an ex biker and well understand the need to look out for yourself.
car drivers are a more mixed bunch, and you cant expect everyone to be 100% driving to work, school, tescos, whatever. shyte happens, you just need to
anticipate - ala bikers - it.
But sometimes you wont.
atb
steve
ps
how many builders on here are making cars to blast around country lanes with huge acelleration and cornering power. Or plan to do racing lines around
roundabouts, etc.
you know you will. So does that mean you need a new test to teach you how not to have fun on the roads, and stop you from being on the borderlines, or
over the edge of road safety?
[Edited on 29/5/04 by stephen_gusterson]
[Edited on 29/5/04 by stephen_gusterson]
Having re-tests wouldn't stipulate a PASS or FAIL it would be PASS or EDUCATE. I agree with the making the Test more difficult though - it is
quite difficult now and I think as a result it will pay dividends in the future - but not now!
Regarding St Albans - the worlds worst r'bout is just down the road in Hemel Hempstead - where it is quite legal to navigate the r'bout
anticlockwise whilst observing the clockwise rule - discuss! Kind of primary and secondary r'bout rules - crazy! The first time is
f*****g so frightening but then you get used to it and act like all the rest. Maybe an 'adaptive' driving test is more relevant!
Cosworth - didn't they institute a driving test for the Sierra when it was released. Don't for a second suggest that Steve, don't let
the Cat out the Bag!!!
[Edited on 29-5-04 by Hellfire]
i learnt to survive on bikes before discovering women,should be compulsary to ride a bike before driving a car,you soon learn about slippery surfaces
and muppets in side roads.
notice that a lot of foregin drivers havnt got a clue(tin hat on dives for cover)
it cant be as bad as the hemel one - this doesnt show it in all its glory, but the little dots are just some of the mini roundabout that make it
up.
the product of a truly sick mind
atb
steve
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and from the air
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and the much more roundabout free place where i live
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
it cant be as bad as the hemel one - this doesnt show it in all its glory, but the little dots are just some of the mini roundabout that make it up.
the product of a truly sick mind
atb
steve
I wonder who came up with that one? I bet now he/she is in a mental institution. Or did they drag him/her out to do the design?
I've travelled around it myself when visiting my HQ - it is without doubt the most dangerous piece of highway in England!
The map has 5 exits and the ariel photo has 6, and does the big green area constitute a roundabout which you could be going round in the wrong direction? I'm glad I've not got to work that one out.
I have been on that swindon one, its bonkers i didn't know what the f@#k i was doing or where I was going in fact which made it worse,
incidently it was in swindon that i totaled my girlfriends BRAND NEW Clio, on a roundabout , but not with a morgan!!
I can't see how retesting will improve road safety...a lot of dangerous drivers are very skilled at driving a car, and doing a 25 min drive as per the highway code would present very little difficulty. The big problem is that they have a bad attitude to driving.
I've been working for 30 years in the road department but i never have seen anything like this!!!!
This is madness
Not that i'm surprised though...on paper the plan will present itself beautifull with all the arrows and white lines.
Oh well...
i bet that swindon roundabout works quite well for the locals who know it, but its such an unusually idea that people who dont know whats happening
will be very confused! not a bad idea in my books though, it must help traffic flow!
so to do a 'U' turn I could just go round the first mini roundabout I came to or round the outside of the big one. I hope it's more obvious when you actually see it for real. Watch out Steve they're sneaking up on you.
quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
it cant be as bad as the hemel one
oh yeah - they dont count cos they are in the 'next town'
atb
steve
Drove through milton keynes yesterday, i could have spent the whole day driving round those roundabouts, if u get a quiet time its brilliant nice stretches of roads with no cameras then roundabout after roundabout to corner round.
Yes that stretch of roundabouts in MK is really good fun but also quite hard on the brakes. After a couple of runs up and down that road I had my
friend's Civic Type-R's brakes smoking quite badly, they still worked though
They have lazer speed camera vans in milton keynes..............
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by greggors84
Drove through milton keynes yesterday, i could have spent the whole day driving round those roundabouts, if u get a quiet time its brilliant nice stretches of roads with no cameras then roundabout after roundabout to corner round.
