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Why is this legal?
Ninehigh - 29/7/11 at 08:04 AM

Red Hot Chili Peppers Tickets MANCHESTER M.E.N 15TH NOV | eBay

Advert posted a day before special priority release, my stepson is currently buying them from an original vendor for this date for a third of the price...

As above how is this legal? If I was selling these in person I'd be nicked

Macbeast - 29/7/11 at 08:10 AM

Some people: money > sense

r1_pete - 29/7/11 at 08:14 AM

So he's going to give a complete stranger his old credit card and presumably his address, very naive!!

[Edited on 29/7/11 by r1_pete]

daviep - 29/7/11 at 08:14 AM

TBH I don't see what the problem is, it's a simple demonstration of the supply and demand principles.

If somebody was that desperate to go to the gig then they should be organised enough to buy tickets early.

Davie

tony-devon - 29/7/11 at 08:15 AM

so I assume he will be declaring the card lost/stolen to then give it to the purchaser of the tickets

wonder if his card issuer would be happy to hear this!

Ninehigh - 29/7/11 at 08:54 AM

quote:
Originally posted by daviep
If somebody was that desperate to go to the gig then they should be organised enough to buy tickets early.

Davie


The advert was posted two days before they went on general sale

daviep - 29/7/11 at 09:36 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
quote:
Originally posted by daviep
If somebody was that desperate to go to the gig then they should be organised enough to buy tickets early.

Davie


The advert was posted two days before they went on general sale


I'm still not sure what you think the problem is?

Stott - 29/7/11 at 10:12 AM

You're right it's disgusting.

They should have been banned from playing gigs years ago

skydivepaul - 29/7/11 at 02:59 PM

quote:
Originally posted by tony-devon
so I assume he will be declaring the card lost/stolen to then give it to the purchaser of the tickets

wonder if his card issuer would be happy to hear this!


could be a pre paid visa or mastercard?

Ninehigh - 30/7/11 at 06:34 AM

quote:
Originally posted by daviep
quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
quote:
Originally posted by daviep
If somebody was that desperate to go to the gig then they should be organised enough to buy tickets early.

Davie


The advert was posted two days before they went on general sale


I'm still not sure what you think the problem is?


Problems? Oh just:
1. Touting is supposed to be illegal, but if you do it on ebay not only do you not need the tickets in your posession you can now sell them before you even buy them.
2. This causes a gig to sell out earlier than it would if just fans were buying them instead of people like that who are purely buying them to sell on
3. The demand for re-sold overpriced tickets is only there because people buy them to sell them on, and how can you pretend otherwise? It's not like this guy bought them and then realised he can't go (because he can...)

daviep - 30/7/11 at 07:22 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
Problems? Oh just:
1. Touting is supposed to be illegal, but if you do it on ebay not only do you not need the tickets in your posession you can now sell them before you even buy them.
2. This causes a gig to sell out earlier than it would if just fans were buying them instead of people like that who are purely buying them to sell on
3. The demand for re-sold overpriced tickets is only there because people buy them to sell them on, and how can you pretend otherwise? It's not like this guy bought them and then realised he can't go (because he can...)


Yeah it's meant to be illegal but it's not exactly crime of the century, worst case scenario "little Katie from down the road fails to see Peter Andre"...........disaster.

And you said yourself that your stepson was buying tickets face value proving that if you want them bad enough get your act together and get them early.

Still don't see a problem, what's wrong with somebody trying to make a bit of cash?

Davie

P.s. All said in good spirit, I just like a good debate

[Edited on 30/7/11 by daviep]

MikeRJ - 30/7/11 at 09:41 AM

quote:
Originally posted by daviep

Still don't see a problem, what's wrong with somebody trying to make a bit of cash?


So as long as the goal is making a bit of cash, the moral, ethical and legal implications of how you do this are not important?

Macbeast - 30/7/11 at 10:05 AM

Speculators investing in Futures?
Theatre ticket agents ?

indykid - 30/7/11 at 11:09 AM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by daviep
Still don't see a problem, what's wrong with somebody trying to make a bit of cash?

So as long as the goal is making a bit of cash, the moral, ethical and legal implications of how you do this are not important?

It's worked for Craftmatic for years....

daviep - 30/7/11 at 11:48 AM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by daviep

Still don't see a problem, what's wrong with somebody trying to make a bit of cash?


So as long as the goal is making a bit of cash, the moral, ethical and legal implications of how you do this are not important?


Touting tickets isn't really the same as say dealing drugs in my opinion.

What would you describe as the moral and ethical implications of touting tickets on an auction site?

Davie

Neville Jones - 30/7/11 at 02:31 PM

No different to putting your name on the list for a Morgan, then selling your 'car' before it's even built, for a profit.

Done often from what I'm told.

Cheers,
Nev.

locogeoff - 30/7/11 at 08:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Neville Jones
No different to putting your name on the list for a Morgan, then selling your 'car' before it's even built, for a profit.

Done often from what I'm told.

Cheers,
Nev.


It is different in that there is a fixed number of tickets for a venue, whereas in the Morgan case they will build them until they stop getting orders. the ticket tout is artificially creating demand and hence the price increase.

I was also under the impression it was illegal, maybe a call should be made to the promoter of the event.

Going back to the original issue, I wouldn't fancy turning up at a known location with a possibly stolen credit card on me as positive proof of identification

Regards

Geoff

[Edited on 30/7/11 by locogeoff]

Ninehigh - 1/8/11 at 07:09 PM

Like he said ^^ it's creating an artificial demand, you wouldn't like it if I bought all the petrol in the country and sold if for £3 a litre... Simple supply and demand

Turns out it's not illegal as it's not a sporting event (sporting events are televised and FSM forbid someone else make money off things like that )

Stepson got them early enough, when they came on sale.. I'll not begrudge someone buying a ticket, finding out they can't go and selling it on making a couple of quid in the process. This guy was selling them before they went on sale... If he couldn't go then he didn't have to buy it.

JoelP - 1/8/11 at 08:43 PM

im with you ninehigh. Someone is making money but no one has actually benefited from his involvement except himself, he is simply manipulating the market. You could argue its worse than wheelclampers, insofar as wheel clampers at least offer some benefit to the landowner trying to keep people off his land.

daviep - 1/8/11 at 09:24 PM

So you disagree with people buying things to sell on at a profit?

JoelP - 1/8/11 at 09:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by daviep
So you disagree with people buying things to sell on at a profit?


not at all, unless they buy everything and essentially force people to pay inflated prices. Often someone buying something to sell on will be buying cheap, for instance if i buy tools from a trade retailer i know and then put on ebay. Someone finding my ad can choose to buy off me or look on for a better deal. I would in that instance be doing people a favour, because if i want to sell this tool then it would need to be priced cheaper than rivals on ebay, so they too would save money. However, if i go to homebase and buy every tool and thus prevent anyone else getting one, and then make a profit by inconviniencing people, that isnt right. Im not saying that there is much that can be done about it, just that i personally disapprove in general of actions that have more negative effect on humanity than positive effect, or indeed no positive effect at all.

I could go on but im not here to convert people to my world view.

Ninehigh - 2/8/11 at 06:27 AM

It's the denial of actual fans, like with Playstations etc some people will buy one purely because it'll be insanely popular for the first week or so. If you buy something just to sell it on then you're denying someone who would buy it to use it..