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Very sad day...
craig1410 - 6/10/11 at 01:02 AM

http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/

It might take a few years for some of us to realise what he has given us but he has truly changed the technology world.

Like him or loathe him, you can't help but respect him and what he and Apple have achieved.

Rest in peace Steve, our thoughts are with your family and close friends.

russbost - 6/10/11 at 06:41 AM

+1

phelpsa - 6/10/11 at 06:48 AM

Even though I've never bought an Apple product, I think it's fair to say that he was one of the few true geniuses of the 21st century.

Irony - 6/10/11 at 07:21 AM

I personally think we lost a inspiring legend that changed the way we perceive technology. There are/were few visionaries of his calibre.

nick205 - 6/10/11 at 07:49 AM

Sad news indeed - It will be really interesting to see what effect it has on Apple as a company and a brand. You hear very little of Steve Wozniak these days - I wonder what he's up to?

After hearing that Apple fans were gathering outside Apple stores already a colleague of mine commented earlier today that he can't see the same reaction for dear old Bill gates when he shuffles off.

kevmcdo - 6/10/11 at 08:04 AM

Don't think we will see a great change in Apple in the next few years anyhow.
When Apple were without him the last time in the 90's it was very much a different company then with a lot of political turmoil at board level, that turmoil is no longer an issue so with any luck the company can continue on with its success.......

balidey - 6/10/11 at 08:11 AM

Always sad news to hear of someones death at a relativly young age, but his technology has never touched my life. I don't own a mac, iphone, ipad, ipod and probably never will. Did his company change the face of technology? Well there are other mp3 players, other computers, other phones and tablets. Are apples a bit better? Perhaps, but that is all. I can't see that he was a visionary that many people are playing him out to be in the media. Yes Apple products are popular, yes he ran the company, but the hype in my eyes is over the top.

loggyboy - 6/10/11 at 08:14 AM

Very sad news indeed, Im definately on the dislike side of the apple fence. However I admire the products for what they can do, just something about them and apple that made me dislike them! Stems back to Quicktime trying to take over my machine back in the early 2000s i think!

quote:
Originally posted by nick205
After hearing that Apple fans were gathering outside Apple stores already a colleague of mine commented earlier today that he can't see the same reaction for dear old Bill gates when he shuffles off.


I think thats probably a reflection of the type of people that use Apple products rather than the men behind them! (ie sheep lol )

eddie99 - 6/10/11 at 08:17 AM

Very sad Indeed!

craig1410 - 6/10/11 at 08:18 AM

quote:
Originally posted by balidey
...but his technology has never touched my life.


I can understand why you find it difficult to understand but I am pretty certain Apple will have already touched your life or will do so in the years to come.

MikeRJ - 6/10/11 at 08:25 AM

quote:
Originally posted by balidey
Always sad news to hear of someones death at a relativly young age, but his technology has never touched my life. I don't own a mac, iphone, ipad, ipod and probably never will. Did his company change the face of technology? Well there are other mp3 players, other computers, other phones and tablets. Are apples a bit better? Perhaps, but that is all. I can't see that he was a visionary that many people are playing him out to be in the media. Yes Apple products are popular, yes he ran the company, but the hype in my eyes is over the top.


I tend to agree, Apples genius lay mainly in marketing rather than technology IMO. However I can't deny they have made some pretty slick products, albeit at very inflated prices.

Very sad to have gone at just 56 though, I didn't realise he'd been fighting this for 7 years

Bluemoon - 6/10/11 at 08:44 AM

quote:
Originally posted by balidey
Always sad news to hear of someones death at a relativly young age, but his technology has never touched my life. I don't own a mac, iphone, ipad, ipod and probably never will. Did his company change the face of technology? Well there are other mp3 players, other computers, other phones and tablets. Are apples a bit better? Perhaps, but that is all. I can't see that he was a visionary that many people are playing him out to be in the media. Yes Apple products are popular, yes he ran the company, but the hype in my eyes is over the top.


Apple where in it at the start of the personal computer, they completely invented the graphical interfaces, nothing to do with the currant fad of ithingy's, they will come and go.. they where much much more fundamental in the development of IT than that... So we have all used products inspired by apple...



Dan

eddie99 - 6/10/11 at 08:55 AM

As well he also had a lot to do with Pixar, I believe he was one of the toy story producers amongst lots of things so i really do find it hard that you have never been touched by him.

sickbag - 6/10/11 at 09:00 AM

quote:


Apple where in it at the start of the personal computer, they completely invented the graphical interfaces, nothing to do with the currant fad of ithingy's,



Dan


Nope - Zerox did it 10 years before Apple even formed.

eddie99 - 6/10/11 at 09:06 AM

quote:
Originally posted by sickbag
quote:


Apple where in it at the start of the personal computer, they completely invented the graphical interfaces, nothing to do with the currant fad of ithingy's,



Dan


Nope - Zerox did it 10 years before Apple even formed.


It was however the first mass produced PC.

Irony - 6/10/11 at 09:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by balidey
Always sad news to hear of someones death at a relativly young age, but his technology has never touched my life. I don't own a mac, iphone, ipad, ipod and probably never will. Did his company change the face of technology? Well there are other mp3 players, other computers, other phones and tablets. Are apples a bit better? Perhaps, but that is all. I can't see that he was a visionary that many people are playing him out to be in the media. Yes Apple products are popular, yes he ran the company, but the hype in my eyes is over the top.



The man helped create computing and then pushed the entire industry to it's limits and then kept on pushing. His products are the most technologically advanced in the world they were also things of beauty (which is exceptionally rare). Everybody else is running to catch up with Apple both in software and hardware. If this man is not a visionary then I don't know who is.

Did you know that Apple have the iPad 3 ready to go but won't release it because their competitors are nowhere near the iPad 2.

The only shadow to Jobs's career was his amazing success. I often thought he has unwittingly created a monopoly in all that is Apple. Something that he sought to bring down when Microsoft were all powerful.

Irony - 6/10/11 at 09:19 AM

Dan



Nope - Zerox did it 10 years before Apple even formed.



Xerox with a X. The Xerox Alto was never sold. But some people consider one of the first computers. Shame that Xerox thought it would be a commercial failure........

scudderfish - 6/10/11 at 09:28 AM

Xerox royally screwed up with their tech. They invented the GUI and ethernet and didn't capitalise on either. When I was at Uni they were a case study of what not to do. I guess Nokia fill that role now.

onenastyviper - 6/10/11 at 09:31 AM

quote:
Originally posted by scudderfish
Xerox royally screwed up with their tech. They invented the GUI and ethernet and didn't capitalise on either. When I was at Uni they were a case study of what not to do. I guess Nokia fill that role now.


Yeah, who wants a "Graphical" interface or a single cable to interconnect computers together?

scudderfish - 6/10/11 at 09:32 AM

Apple's key products have all been inferior to competitors when first released (Mac was sealed and couldn't be upgraded, iPod was expensive with limited storage, iPhone was only 2G) but through marketing might they come to dominate (although not the Mac (he says typing away on one))
The Apple product factoid I like is that when they released their first laser printer, it was the most powerful computer they sold at the time

scudderfish - 6/10/11 at 09:35 AM

As regards Steve Jobs, he killed himself and possibly someone unknown. Pancreatic cancer normally kills within a year. He had a very rare form that is completely treatable with surgery if caught early enough. Instead of following conventional wisdom he thought he'd treat himself with a change of diet for 9 months, giving it time to get a foothold. He didn't avoid the surgeon needing a liver transplant and his digestive system completely redesigned. If he'd done that first, maybe someone else could have had the liver he wasted.

Irony - 6/10/11 at 09:41 AM

quote:
Originally posted by scudderfish
Apple's key products have all been inferior to competitors when first released (Mac was sealed and couldn't be upgraded, iPod was expensive with limited storage, iPhone was only 2G) but through marketing might they come to dominate (although not the Mac (he says typing away on one))
The Apple product factoid I like is that when they released their first laser printer, it was the most powerful computer they sold at the time


I don't know that much about iPhones (I have a crap old old nokia but its a works phone and I don't pay the bill). I remember back in the day of the first iMacs when people were complaining about the lack of upgrade options. 90% of buyers never upgrade their computers. The non-upgradable macs were and are aimed at these people.

I don't recall any competitors to the 1st and 2nd generation iPods that came remotely close to the iPod/iTunes combo.

jeffw - 6/10/11 at 09:55 AM

quote:
Originally posted by balidey
Always sad news to hear of someones death at a relativly young age, but his technology has never touched my life. I don't own a mac, iphone, ipad, ipod and probably never will. Did his company change the face of technology? Well there are other mp3 players, other computers, other phones and tablets. Are apples a bit better? Perhaps, but that is all. I can't see that he was a visionary that many people are playing him out to be in the media. Yes Apple products are popular, yes he ran the company, but the hype in my eyes is over the top.


+1

craig1410 - 6/10/11 at 09:59 AM

quote:
Originally posted by scudderfish
As regards Steve Jobs, he killed himself and possibly someone unknown. Pancreatic cancer normally kills within a year. He had a very rare form that is completely treatable with surgery if caught early enough. Instead of following conventional wisdom he thought he'd treat himself with a change of diet for 9 months, giving it time to get a foothold. He didn't avoid the surgeon needing a liver transplant and his digestive system completely redesigned. If he'd done that first, maybe someone else could have had the liver he wasted.


I'm speechless! I look forward to watching you eat these disrespectful words when the actual truth comes out. Even if what you say is true (and I seriously doubt that it is...) who are you to second guess someone making decisions about their life when faced with losing it?

To accuse him of "possibly [killing] someone unknown" is the most ridiculous accusation I have ever heard!

Let's keep this respectful guys.

craig1410 - 6/10/11 at 10:46 AM

If anyone hasn't seen Steve's Stanford commencement speech from 2005, I strongly recommend you take a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sla1HyvpIdo

An excellent speech IMHO.

MikeRJ - 6/10/11 at 10:48 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Irony
Did you know that Apple have the iPad 3 ready to go but won't release it because their competitors are nowhere near the iPad 2.


"Nowhere near" in what respect? The Galaxy Tab is superior in almost every respect.

mistergrumpy - 6/10/11 at 10:51 AM

In that it doesn't have a picture of an Apple on it, therefore by those who buy, less superior!

whitestu - 6/10/11 at 10:57 AM

quote:

Originally posted by balidey
Always sad news to hear of someones death at a relativly young age, but his technology has never touched my life. I don't own a mac, iphone, ipad, ipod and probably never will. Did his company change the face of technology? Well there are other mp3 players, other computers, other phones and tablets. Are apples a bit better? Perhaps, but that is all. I can't see that he was a visionary that many people are playing him out to be in the media. Yes Apple products are popular, yes he ran the company, but the hype in my eyes is over the top.


+1

owelly - 6/10/11 at 11:03 AM

I'm struggling to see why this has turned into a slanging match. The bloke has died and thats not a good thing no matter what the politics are.

scudderfish - 6/10/11 at 11:22 AM

quote:
Originally posted by craig1410

I'm speechless! I look forward to watching you eat these disrespectful words when the actual truth comes out. Even if what you say is true (and I seriously doubt that it is...) who are you to second guess someone making decisions about their life when faced with losing it?

To accuse him of "possibly [killing] someone unknown" is the most ridiculous accusation I have ever heard!

Let's keep this respectful guys.


You're speechless, I'm angry. My Dad died of cancer 6 weeks ago; he didn't have the benefit of having one that could be cured. If he had have done, he would have had a straightforward operation and be done with it. SJ on the other hand rejected the considered expert advice and thought a change of diet would do the trick. Cancer is not something to dick around with and if you get it wrong, you die. If you get it right it will probably get you anyway but after a number of years more. The median survival rate for people with the cancer SJ has is 10 years, he could have had more than that if he had listened to his doctors when it was first diagnosed. My crack about the liver may have been below the belt, but organs for transplant are a very limited resource. If he had had the earlier surgery, he wouldn't have needed a new liver and someone else could have had it.

It sucks that he (or anyone else) is dead, and we all die one day. However he appears to have played a part in the timing of it but going off on a tangent in an area where that is a really bad idea. His death is no more or less important than anyone elses.

woodster - 6/10/11 at 11:26 AM

just to repeat a tribute on twitter .. 3 apples that changed the world .. Adams, Newtons and Steve Jobs ... enough said R.I.P

craig1410 - 6/10/11 at 11:31 AM

quote:
Originally posted by scudderfish
quote:
Originally posted by craig1410

I'm speechless! I look forward to watching you eat these disrespectful words when the actual truth comes out. Even if what you say is true (and I seriously doubt that it is...) who are you to second guess someone making decisions about their life when faced with losing it?

To accuse him of "possibly [killing] someone unknown" is the most ridiculous accusation I have ever heard!

Let's keep this respectful guys.


You're speechless, I'm angry. My Dad died of cancer 6 weeks ago; he didn't have the benefit of having one that could be cured. If he had have done, he would have had a straightforward operation and be done with it. SJ on the other hand rejected the considered expert advice and thought a change of diet would do the trick. Cancer is not something to dick around with and if you get it wrong, you die. If you get it right it will probably get you anyway but after a number of years more. The median survival rate for people with the cancer SJ has is 10 years, he could have had more than that if he had listened to his doctors when it was first diagnosed. My crack about the liver may have been below the belt, but organs for transplant are a very limited resource. If he had had the earlier surgery, he wouldn't have needed a new liver and someone else could have had it.

It sucks that he (or anyone else) is dead, and we all die one day. However he appears to have played a part in the timing of it but going off on a tangent in an area where that is a really bad idea. His death is no more or less important than anyone elses.


I'm very sorry for your loss of course but I think you are making a lot of assumptions about Steve's medical history and decisions. The truth may come out in his biography due next month but as far as I know, he was only diagnosed with cancer after changing his diet failed to relieve the symptoms he had at that time. Initially he was told he had 3-6 months to live and then later that day after a biopsy was done, they discovered it was a very rare form of cancer which was treatable. This was in 2004. The fact that he lived for 7 years afterwards suggests that they did in fact cure him of the initial cancer. He appears to have suffered some other disease or a reoccurrence more recently which has ultimately caused his death.

All I'm saying is that you don't know the full facts (and neither do I) so to make accusations of him killing himself and possibly someone else is a bit strong.

Anyway, I apologise if creating this RIP thread for Steve Jobs has in any way added to your own feelings of loss or anger. That was certainly not my intention and I wish you well.

Benzine - 6/10/11 at 11:48 AM

R iPeace

Alan B - 6/10/11 at 01:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by balidey
Always sad news to hear of someones death at a relativly young age, but his technology has never touched my life. I don't own a mac, iphone, ipad, ipod and probably never will. Did his company change the face of technology? Well there are other mp3 players, other computers, other phones and tablets. Are apples a bit better? Perhaps, but that is all. I can't see that he was a visionary that many people are playing him out to be in the media. Yes Apple products are popular, yes he ran the company, but the hype in my eyes is over the top.


Agree with all this.

He was the master of coming up with cool stuff that people "wanted" and rarely ever anything that you "needed". More a techno-business genius that anything else, but a sad loss all the same.