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OT - Wall hung WC frames ?
mcerd1 - 19/2/13 at 02:52 PM

can anyone recomend a decent but locost frame and/or cistern ?

also I've got a limited height to hide it in due to a window and sink so the more options the better....

the prices I've seen so far are scarry


if I can get this sorted I'm one big step closer to being allowed back in the garage

cheers
-Robert

nick205 - 19/2/13 at 03:23 PM

Does it have to be wall hung?

When I looked at doing it (purely for aesthetic purposes) it looked a right palava, with brackets and frames etc.

r1_pete - 19/2/13 at 03:24 PM

Wouldn't a close coupled bog and cistern be cheapest? and most height efficient.

britishtrident - 19/2/13 at 03:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by r1_pete
Wouldn't a close coupled bog and cistern be cheapest? and most height efficient.



Wickes do a decent compact "Toilet to Go" --- it is neat looking and has a very effective flushing action.

Slimy38 - 19/2/13 at 03:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
quote:
Originally posted by r1_pete
Wouldn't a close coupled bog and cistern be cheapest? and most height efficient.



Wickes do a decent compact "Toilet to Go" --- it is neat looking and has a very effective flushing action.


I think that's what we have, I did initially think it would stick out from the wall too far (compared to our previous wall mounted council-house special) but it's surprisingly compact. We just had to buy a new toilet seat, it came with a really crappy (no pun intended) plastic jobby that would not have survived my a$$.

v8kid - 19/2/13 at 04:00 PM

I've been looking at this and the prices are terrifying.

However the frames all seem to be the same standard and B&Q with the old fartz discount is the cheapest frame and cistern I've found so far.

The plan is to couple it up to a fancy pan.

There is a problem with the pushbuttons as all the ones I've seen are cheap plastic - even the boutique expensive stuff and I'd rather have solid SS.

Cheers!

motorcycle_mayhem - 19/2/13 at 04:04 PM

I've been looking for the same thing, since the base of our toilet pan is smashed (there's too much balance involved to keep it upright when performing). Scary prices.

Never considered a frame unit though, but how that would cope with obese visitors??... mind you, with mine it's pretty academic, the bathroom isn't big enough for the obese to function (as are most rooms these days).
I do like the idea that you can clean up the overspray easily with nothing on the floor.

mcerd1 - 19/2/13 at 04:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by nick205
Does it have to be wall hung?

no, but wall hung fits the grand plan better

I'm prepared for a small extra cost, but I'm not going to hand over £250 for a frame/cistern (the recommended ones)
I've seen other frames with cisterns for as little as £95 - but I've no idea what makes a good or bad one ??

a "back to wall" type one is the backup plan - but it still needs a cistern...

britishtrident - 19/2/13 at 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by Slimy38
quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
quote:
Originally posted by r1_pete
Wouldn't a close coupled bog and cistern be cheapest? and most height efficient.



Wickes do a decent compact "Toilet to Go" --- it is neat looking and has a very effective flushing action.


I think that's what we have, I did initially think it would stick out from the wall too far (compared to our previous wall mounted council-house special) but it's surprisingly compact. We just had to buy a new toilet seat, it came with a really crappy (no pun intended) plastic jobby that would not have survived my a$$.




The supplied toilet seat is pretty horrid and plasticy for want of a better word, we we first moved in to our then brand new house we had real problems get toilet seats that would last, usually the hinges either started wobbling or corroded or just accumulated crap, eventually we discovered the very cheapest IKEA basic white toilet seat is really good quality and costs buttons.

Not Anumber - 19/2/13 at 07:09 PM

Cant go wrong with a standard close coupled WC from Screwfix. i used to fit loads of them when i was plumbing. Frankly i used to talk everyone out of wall mounted loos, they are more expensive to buy, a PITA to fit and can be a real PITA when they go wrong.

macc man - 19/2/13 at 08:24 PM

Try the Frontline Range. Not Mega bucks and does the job. Have fitted a few and no problems to date. If you know some one in the trade they can get you a good discount.

daviep - 19/2/13 at 09:32 PM

Couple of bits of RHS or angle and make one, that's my plan as I have the same problem regarding lack of height, either that Thomas dudley do a frame for mounting the WC only without a built in cistern.

Cheers
Davie

Barkalarr - 19/2/13 at 11:35 PM

I'm having mine done at the moment with exactly that - wall frame mounted toilet.
The plumber built a box in front of the window and has hidden everything away.
Will ask the plumber what the make of frame he's put in.
It came from Graham's plumbers merchant

Apparently you can fix water problems from the front of the frame.

Mikef - 20/2/13 at 06:26 AM

If you are gOing to do it do it properly. I bought a couple of cheap frames and cisterns, looked great but been nothing but trouble. Paid a bit more for some Geberitt and they have been perfect. try talking to www.bathroom2u.com best pricesand very helpful.they do a very big range.

Macbeast - 20/2/13 at 10:27 AM

Why did I read that as " Well-hung " ?

mcerd1 - 20/2/13 at 10:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Mikef
....Paid a bit more for some Geberitt and they have been perfect.....
even the smallest Geberitt one won't work with my plan

infact the shartest ones I've seen anywhere are 790mm min. height
often its not the cistern itself thats in the way but the flush / access pannel is just a bit too high and I don't really need that big flush panel style for the access as the whole front can come off mine instead

I guess I could buy a frame then modifiy it, but I don't fancy chopping up something I just spent £250 on

quote:
Originally posted by daviep
Couple of bits of RHS or angle and make one, that's my plan as I have the same problem regarding lack of height, either that Thomas dudley do a frame for mounting the WC only without a built in cistern.
I'll look into the Thomas dudley frames, but I'm starting to think I'll need to make my own to get what I want...

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been doing some more measuing....


ultimately what I would like to make is basically the same as this, but with a wall hung toilet:


the front of the unit will be tiled, but will sill have the removable panel with the flush off to the side like in the pic

the top will span the width of the room, be ~40mm think and has the sink on top of it

this gives me 665 to 720mm height under the top to fit everything else in... any thoughts ?


also who makes a good cistern that will fit the bill ?

[Edited on 20/2/2013 by mcerd1]

britishtrident - 20/2/13 at 11:34 AM

Different strokes for different folks, but to my eyes that isn't aesthetically pleasing that is is without even considering the other downsides.

daviep - 20/2/13 at 12:05 PM

You are entering a world of conflicting reports regarding concealed cisterns, I spent ages reading forums and product reviews and learnt pretty much nothing. In the end I went for THIS as I wanted a small single flush button. Can't comment on operation as I haven't gotten round to fitting it

Cheers
Davie

Barkalarr - 20/2/13 at 12:25 PM

This is what we've just had fitted (not used it yet) - plumber has one at home reckons they're the business ! (only know that cos he's a m8)

Would show you the fitted item, but it's just a blank wall.



mcerd1 - 20/2/13 at 12:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Barkalarr
This is what we've just had fitted (not used it yet) - plumber has one at home reckons they're the business ! (only know that cos he's a m8)
thats the first kind that was recommended to me - they look good but they arn't cheap and just a bit too tall aswell (the one you have is the smallest version - I need one 100 to 150mm shorter)

but if you've got any more pics of it as its installed (before its covered over) it would help me with some of my planning

mcerd1 - 20/2/13 at 01:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
Different strokes for different folks, but to my eyes that isn't aesthetically pleasing that is is without even considering the other downsides.

it will look better than that

just using that pic as an example of the height/construction method I'm looking for


the front will be tiled with these:


and the worktop will be this: (with lots of waterproof vanish!!)


with the removable panel joint hidden between the tiles (ie. no grout on one line - got a few ideas for this to hide it better, but I'll need to try them first....)

mcerd1 - 13/3/13 at 01:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by daviep
....Thomas dudley do a frame for mounting the WC only without a built in cistern.

cheers for that - they look ideal for me

been doing lots of reaserch but I've still got an issue with the cistern height
the other sizes don't matter much, but it needs to be as low as possible

the best I've found so far is the Dudley 'miniflo' - its 276mm high + 90mm (min) to the ctr of the flush pipe and thats just about good enough
but idealy I need to loose another 60mm - even 25mm less would help though


any thoughts ??

[Edited on 13/3/2013 by mcerd1]