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jacko - 30/5/13 at 05:41 PM

Hi All
can anyone tell me how to make a 12v electric fence [ cheaply] i have a fish pond and a fox keeps coming to try and get a meal
I would use the fence at night and turn it of though the day
Jacko

Aaron_n_Sim - 30/5/13 at 06:00 PM

chicken wire, car battery & trickle charger.

jacko - 30/5/13 at 06:10 PM

How do i wire all this up please you have got me interested as i have all these things
Jacko

mookaloid - 30/5/13 at 06:15 PM

eBay Item would this be any good?

I imagine it comes with instructions..

Cheers

M

MakeEverything - 30/5/13 at 06:21 PM

or either of these and a friend with an FAC...

jacko - 30/5/13 at 06:37 PM

Sorry guns are OUT in my garden / home
Jacko

jacko - 30/5/13 at 06:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mookaloid
eBay Item would this be any good?

I imagine it comes with instructions..

Cheers

M

Hi Mark i have just been looking on Ebay lots to choose at but it would be nice if i could make something diy

mookaloid - 30/5/13 at 06:50 PM

You can build one - instructions here You could spend a few quid on the transformers etc needed

But if only for safety I would spend the £30 and get a properly designed one. It would be awful if some kiddy got electrocuted by a DIY effort.

MakeEverything - 30/5/13 at 06:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jacko
Sorry guns are OUT in my garden / home
Jacko


But you'll electrocute an animal over and over again!

Peteff - 30/5/13 at 07:22 PM

Adapt one of those toning belt things, they give you a decent kick when they are turned up.

Stot - 30/5/13 at 07:34 PM

Shottie of FAC for me too, but you could try urine (mens) around your borders/fences. The scent can help keep foxes out of your garden.

Cheers
Stot

jacko - 30/5/13 at 07:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
quote:
Originally posted by jacko
Sorry guns are OUT in my garden / home
Jacko


But you'll electrocute an animal over and over again!

No not electrocute just a shock like in cattle / horse fields

Aaron_n_Sim - 30/5/13 at 07:45 PM

I suggested a low voltage electric fence because I love foxes, had 2 as pets, rescued as cubs raised liked dogs, equally as loyal, perhaps I should come along and shoot your dogs, all animals were wild once dogs included, who are we to decide which should be domesticated!! circle of life n all, stop keeping fox food as pets!!!

[Edited on 30/5/13 by Aaron_n_Sim]

jacko - 30/5/13 at 08:15 PM

ELECTRIC FENCE ENERGISER - 12VDc To 1000 Volts HERRONS | eBay

The choice is the above or a big net so i think it will be the above at £29.99 and animal friendly too
Jacko

Daddylonglegs - 30/5/13 at 09:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Aaron_n_Sim
I suggested a low voltage electric fence because I love foxes, had 2 as pets, rescued as cubs raised liked dogs, equally as loyal, perhaps I should come along and shoot your dogs, all animals were wild once dogs included, who are we to decide which should be domesticated!! circle of life n all, stop keeping fox food as pets!!!

[Edited on 30/5/13 by Aaron_n_Sim]


Without starting a war chap, I love animals to bits, but having seen/had several massacres of allsorts of animals by a family of foxes - and not one thing eaten!! - just to 'teach the cubs how to kill........ 'nuff said.

We all have our opinions....

Aaron_n_Sim - 31/5/13 at 01:14 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
quote:
Originally posted by Aaron_n_Sim
I suggested a low voltage electric fence because I love foxes, had 2 as pets, rescued as cubs raised liked dogs, equally as loyal, perhaps I should come along and shoot your dogs, all animals were wild once dogs included, who are we to decide which should be domesticated!! circle of life n all, stop keeping fox food as pets!!!

[Edited on 30/5/13 by Aaron_n_Sim]


Without starting a war chap, I love animals to bits, but having seen/had several massacres of allsorts of animals by a family of foxes - and not one thing eaten!! - just to 'teach the cubs how to kill........ 'nuff said.

We all have our opinions....


It's nature my friend, we encroach on THEIR land, keep wild animals as pets, when i had a cottage in a field i used to watch my cat teach the kitten we kept hunt baby rabbits (kittens) cruel maybe natural definitely. I'm as guilty as the next man!! Reptile keeper! I feed my snakes rats once a week, only because law says letting them hunt live food is bloodsport.

Aaron_n_Sim - 31/5/13 at 01:35 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Aaron_n_Sim
quote:
Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
quote:
Originally posted by Aaron_n_Sim
I suggested a low voltage electric fence because I love foxes, had 2 as pets, rescued as cubs raised liked dogs, equally as loyal, perhaps I should come along and shoot your dogs, all animals were wild once dogs included, who are we to decide which should be domesticated!! circle of life n all, stop keeping fox food as pets!!!

[Edited on 30/5/13 by Aaron_n_Sim]


Without starting a war chap, I love animals to bits, but having seen/had several massacres of allsorts of animals by a family of foxes - and not one thing eaten!! - just to 'teach the cubs how to kill........ 'nuff said.

We all have our opinions....


It's nature my friend, we encroach on THEIR land, keep wild animals as pets, when i had a cottage in a field i used to watch my cat teach the kitten we kept hunt baby rabbits (kittens) cruel maybe natural definitely. I'm as guilty as the next man!! Reptile keeper! I feed my snakes rats once a week, only because law says letting them hunt live food is bloodsport.


Look I don't want to sound like a wan**r so perhaps if I put it ths way, if I live in the country and a deer (venison) walks into my garden it could be £150 gain if its a fox it could be £150 loss! Seems a simple way of putting it without offending anyone

spiderman - 31/5/13 at 01:35 AM

try this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJdLtxqL2LM

Aaron_n_Sim - 31/5/13 at 01:41 AM

quote:
Originally posted by spiderman
try this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJdLtxqL2LM


No disrespect but if it doesn't kill and deters I'm all for it.but foxes kill its nature, don't like it then feed and domesticate it, I'm all for anything that doesn't kil,

MikeRJ - 31/5/13 at 06:49 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Aaron_n_Sim
quote:
Originally posted by spiderman
try this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJdLtxqL2LM


No disrespect but if it doesn't kill and deters I'm all for it.but foxes kill its nature, don't like it then feed and domesticate it, I'm all for anything that doesn't kil,


I don't like killing animals either which is why an electric fence is an excellent solution, they deter but don't kill. A neighbour recently had a load of his chickens massacred by an urban fox, so whilst I think they are amazing creatures and I would never kill one, I also wouldn't have any qualms about using an electric fence to keep them away.

However, hooking up a 12v car battery to a fence won't do anything at all, unless it touches it with it's nose whilst standing on wet ground, and even then it will be a tingle rather than a shock.

tegwin - 31/5/13 at 08:54 AM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ


However, hooking up a 12v car battery to a fence won't do anything at all, unless it touches it with it's nose whilst standing on wet ground, and even then it will be a tingle rather than a shock.


Have you ever touched an electric fence!? It is NOT just a tickle!

(edit to say...you are right, just a 12V battery won't do anything...you need a transformer to step that voltage up a bit :p)

[Edited on 31/5/13 by tegwin]

scootz - 31/5/13 at 09:18 AM

Has the fox actually eaten any fish? Could it just be stopping at your pond for a drink?

MikeRJ - 31/5/13 at 10:04 AM

quote:
Originally posted by tegwin
quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ


However, hooking up a 12v car battery to a fence won't do anything at all, unless it touches it with it's nose whilst standing on wet ground, and even then it will be a tingle rather than a shock.


Have you ever touched an electric fence!? It is NOT just a tickle!

(edit to say...you are right, just a 12V battery won't do anything...you need a transformer to step that voltage up a bit :p)

[Edited on 31/5/13 by tegwin]


Both my grandparents had farms, so I learned about electric fences from a young age. When we were younger, fitter and much more stupid my brother and I used to have competitions to see how long we could hold the fence for, and yes it does hurt a lot. Not as bad as an ignition coil though, and had plenty of shocks from them as well (lots of experimenting with spark generators as a lad).

[Edited on 31/5/13 by MikeRJ]

Not Anumber - 31/5/13 at 01:48 PM

ignition coil and a PIR ?

jacko - 31/5/13 at 06:59 PM

How high dose a fence have to be to stop a fox coming over it ?

Today i have been looking around my back garden [ where the pond is ] and i think there is only one area that a fox will get in
I have a 2m wood fence on two sides and a garage at the bottom of the garden so the only way it would get in is between the house and one of the fences [there is conifer trees along that part with gaps under then ]
looks like i will be putting a third fence up there

That must be better then messing about with electric fences don't you all think ?
Jacko

spiderman - 2/6/13 at 12:09 AM

quote:
Originally posted by tegwin
quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ


However, hooking up a 12v car battery to a fence won't do anything at all, unless it touches it with it's nose whilst standing on wet ground, and even then it will be a tingle rather than a shock.


Have you ever touched an electric fence!? It is NOT just a tickle!

(edit to say...you are right, just a 12V battery won't do anything...you need a transformer to step that voltage up a bit :p)

[Edited on 31/5/13 by tegwin]


The 12v battery is the power supply for the energizer which puts out a pulse of approx 8000 volts. The energizer a capacitive
discharge system and the 8000 volts is a back emf, similar to some electronic ignition systems.
The voltage is not fatal as it is current that kills.
However an electric livestock fence can kill as I have seen a lamb that died when it got wrapped up in an electric fence overnight, I suspect that it went into shock from the continual jolts that it received.

[Edited on 2/6/13 by spiderman]

slingshot2000 - 2/6/13 at 07:57 AM

quote:
No not electrocute just a shock like in cattle / HORSE fields


I would be extra careful if there are horses in the vicinity, they are VERY sensitive to electricity and an electrical shock as low as 12volts can be lethal to them.

Anyone remember this;


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356297/2-horses-fall-dead-Newbury-parade-ring-amid-electrocution-fears.html

None of the people present felt a thing, but it killed the horses !
I listening to the meeting (for some reason), and after the first one went down I commented to a colleague about how sensitive horses are to very low voltages.

Regards
Jon

CompoSimmonite - 2/6/13 at 08:23 AM

We get Foxes around during the day as well. They sunbath on back lawns. One even came into our living room. Dogs chased it out but not until it managed to get behind the setee and urinate - stunk the house out for weeks !
What about netting over the top of the pond ? My father had same problem with a Heron taking his fish and netting worked.


Paul H

[Edited on 2/6/13 by CompoSimmonite]

imp paul - 2/6/13 at 08:54 AM

hi jako my mother was telling me ,that you can get some sort of electrick device. that gives a sonic sound off that dogs / foxs dont like it mite be worth looking in to this mate try google it would be good if this is right if i can i will try and find out a bit more info for you

all the best

paul

Peteff - 2/6/13 at 09:26 AM

This kind of thing would be my choice if I was going to buy anything but what we do for the local cat population (who think our garden is a toilet) is put Cayenne or Chilli pepper down in the area they use and it puts them off coming in.

jacko - 2/6/13 at 03:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
This kind of thing would be my choice if I was going to buy anything but what we do for the local cat population (who think our garden is a toilet) is put Cayenne or Chilli pepper down in the area they use and it puts them off coming in.


Pete i like your idea with the water jet has anyone tried / used one if so how good are they
Jacko

spiderman - 2/6/13 at 04:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by slingshot2000
quote:
No not electrocute just a shock like in cattle / HORSE fields


I would be extra careful if there are horses in the vicinity, they are VERY sensitive to electricity and an electrical shock as low as 12volts can be lethal to them.

Anyone remember this;


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356297/2-horses-fall-dead-Newbury-parade-ring-amid-electrocution-fears.html

None of the people present felt a thing, but it killed the horses !
I listening to the meeting (for some reason), and after the first one went down I commented to a colleague about how sensitive horses are to very low voltages.

Regards
Jon


That was from an underground mains electric cable and not from a 12 electric fence. Many horse owners use 12v livestock fences to contain their animals. They don't need to get a shock to know the fence is there as they seem to be able to sense it before the get too close.

DarrenW - 2/6/13 at 07:47 PM

Some interesting thoughts here. Im against the anti fox hunting lobby, but didn't consider some of the facts raised here. Water cannons sound interesting? Fishing line over the pond? Sound cannons?, work well for protecting rigs.
No doubt the foxes are doing what ones naturally, (packed lunches and all that) but why can't we defend why we enjoy and pay for?

morcus - 2/6/13 at 11:17 PM

Another vote for a net/cover, I think your asking for trouble setting up an electric fence in your garden.

DarrenW - 3/6/13 at 04:22 PM

Ive heard of people putting strong fishing line around the outside of a pond when they have trouble with Herons. The theory being they have to land on a flat surface then walk into the pond before scoffing all of the fish, and their legs dont bend in a way that allows them to step over the line. Would that work with a fox? i guess it wont for a long time as they could find a way through.

Net seems like the better solution, but not exactly convenient.

Ive seen posh ponds built with galvanised / stainless steel rod covers before. Look smart and contemporary when done right. After realising how expensive those scaley swimmy things can be im not surprised people go to such lengths to protect them.


Why would protecting the pond with an electric fence be asking for trouble btw. Farmers use them. I guess you need to make sure signs are put up. Lets just hope the foxes dont learn to read or recognise the shapes......... and im not being daft here. Any fox that has had a jolt or 2 on a farm might just realise what the warning signs are. Next doors cat on the other hand might get a bit of a scare though!


What about just using one of those cat scarer PIR noise emitting things? Are any of those tuned to foxes hearing? Might be worth asking at an agricultural suppliers.

[Edited on 3/6/13 by DarrenW]