Walking right up alongside us, reaching past to get stuff, etc. etc.
Really - it's not that hard to do... and it's not a major inconvenience if you engage your brain and look around at other people to see where they are...
Just been out shopping for groceries with my wife... the majority of people seem to understand the need to keep well apart, but there seems to be
about 10% who haven't got a 'king clue! Mostly it's the oldies (and therefore the most vulnerable) but quite a number of younger
people as well.
Walking right up alongside us, reaching past to get stuff, etc. etc.
Really - it's not that hard to do... and it's not a major inconvenience if you engage your brain and look around at other people to see
where they are...
It's not related to age, it's related to whether they care or not. There's a percentage of the entire population who just don't care.
I bet if you started coughing when they get close they would care.
Our local papers website is reporting several groups of 30 or more gathering on Grantchester meadows with no social distancing , they maybe sick to death of lockdown etc what’s the alternative? It doesn’t help with government advisors ignoring advice !!
Have to say I've found it pretty impossible in the supermarket from the start. Some people are wary but many don't seem too concerned. My view is I'll probably get it at some point if I haven't had it already so not overly worried.
quote:
Originally posted by SJ
Have to say I've found it pretty impossible in the supermarket from the start. Some people are wary but many don't seem too concerned. My view is I'll probably get it at some point if I haven't had it already so not overly worried.
"Stay Alert" and everything will be fine*.
*Unless you don't live in England, in which case stay put inside.
quote:
quote:
Originally posted by SJ
Have to say I've found it pretty impossible in the supermarket from the start. Some people are wary but many don't seem too concerned. My view is I'll probably get it at some point if I haven't had it already so not overly worried.
I've been ordering online for 3 months, works fine.
It's not you that we need to worry about, it's the people you come into contact with while infectious/asymptomatic. If it was all a case of "I'll be fine" and there was no social interaction there would be almost no problem and officail social distancing wouldn't be needed - the high risk folk would not be at risk and the people who get a weak infection would be fine. But because people interact, everyone risks killing other people by "not being overly worried".
[Edited on 26/5/20 by coyoteboy]
"It's not related to age, it's related to whether they care or not. There's a percentage of the entire population who just
don't care."
Agree, and look at the pictures of all the retards on the beaches etc
I was under the impression that a lock down meant, stay at home ?
Im one of the Gov.uk stay at home, and HAVE to self shield, and have done so since Mar18,
I would love to go out, have friends round, I would love to go to work,
I have been told to self isolate till at least the end of August,
So if all these retards carry on as they are, beaches parties etc, I doubt I will go out of my house this year,
I also hope that every family who flaunts the lockdown loses someone from their family to this Virus, then they may think that
its not a hoax
We have lost an Aunt in April, to covid19, although she was in a care home, but shes still dead,
steve
I have to visit and often work on building sites, and it's a bit of a nightmare. No-one apart from me and a colleague wear full protective ppe,
ie gloves and a mask for covid protection. Even the managers on sites this week do not wear extra protective gear, it's almost as if no-one cares
anymore, work has to be done at almost any cost or the businesses will collapse.
We still keep our distances from others, but those others, often but not always foreign, don't care enough to replicate the safety.
Saying that though, has anyone else tried wearing those surgical type gloves under normal work gloves that must also be worn, in this 25 degree heat?
very unpleasant when you take them off, and masks keep misting up my glasses due to the body heat generated and exhaled.
No real solution i guess apart from 'limited protection and full separation' must be the way forward.
Jason
quote:
I also hope that every family who flaunts the lockdown loses someone from their family to this Virus, then they may think that
its not a hoax
I do mean it,
Why should I suffer in self isolation, while the pondlifes out there think all of this is a joke ?
I may never see my Parents again, as there 81/87 and in self isolation also
I don't see my kids, I don't see my grandchildren, yet pondlifes think its ok to go on beaches, etc
Infact, I hope they all die, as they are incredibly selfish
steve
Best post of the lot Steve. I couldn't have put it better myself. Thanks for using all the right descriptive words.
Cheers
Mike
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
"It's not related to age, it's related to whether they care or not. There's a percentage of the entire population who just don't care."
Agree, and look at the pictures of all the retards on the beaches etc
I was under the impression that a lock down meant, stay at home ?
Im one of the Gov.uk stay at home, and HAVE to self shield, and have done so since Mar18,
I would love to go out, have friends round, I would love to go to work,
I have been told to self isolate till at least the end of August,
So if all these retards carry on as they are, beaches parties etc, I doubt I will go out of my house this year,
I also hope that every family who flaunts the lockdown loses someone from their family to this Virus, then they may think that
its not a hoax
We have lost an Aunt in April, to covid19, although she was in a care home, but shes still dead,
steve
Are you reading my mind?
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
I do mean it,
Why should I suffer in self isolation, while the pondlifes out there think all of this is a joke ?
I may never see my Parents again, as there 81/87 and in self isolation also
I don't see my kids, I don't see my grandchildren, yet pondlifes think its ok to go on beaches, etc
Infact, I hope they all die, as they are incredibly selfish
steve
Two friends in their 40s have had covid-19. Birth survived, however both ended up in intensive care and had strokes. We count the dead but not those
that have had life changing effects from covid-19.
Stay safe
I see on the bbc news that 6 people died in cornwall today, and they are demanding lifeguards to be reinstated
My good friend Richard m, is a lifeguard/ beach patrol in Littlehampton, a job he LOVES, yet wonder why there are no lifeguards, or patrols, its
because of social distancing, they cant do their job, as its not safe,
So, hundreds of pondlifes all over the country could die on the beaches, and I don't give a shit,
Infact it makes me happier, that these retards are suffering, albeit not enough, and all because of selfishness, to the people who are obeying the
lockdown rules, and staying home
But as more of these idiots die, means less pollution of morons are left in this country, and probably all benefit cheats as well
Have to say, in 40 years of marriage, ive never claimed a penny, and currently, as I was a zero hour worker, not had a pound come in in two months,
and I don't care, my health and family mean a million times more than money
Also, at my ripe old age of 59 11 months and 20 ish days, (nearly 60) I believe, that ive now decided to retire
So, let the idiots do what they want, infact, encourage them to party, go to the beach, self infect all of their scum households
And England WILL be a better and more intelligent place to live in, devoid of the pondlifes
steve
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
"It's not related to age, it's related to whether they care or not. There's a percentage of the entire population who just don't care."
Agree, and look at the pictures of all the retards on the beaches etc
I was under the impression that a lock down meant, stay at home ?
Im one of the Gov.uk stay at home, and HAVE to self shield, and have done so since Mar18,
I would love to go out, have friends round, I would love to go to work,
I have been told to self isolate till at least the end of August,
So if all these retards carry on as they are, beaches parties etc, I doubt I will go out of my house this year,
I also hope that every family who flaunts the lockdown loses someone from their family to this Virus, then they may think that
its not a hoax
We have lost an Aunt in April, to covid19, although she was in a care home, but shes still dead,
steve
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
I see on the bbc news that 6 people died in cornwall today, and they are demanding lifeguards to be reinstated
My good friend Richard m, is a lifeguard/ beach patrol in Littlehampton, a job he LOVES, yet wonder why there are no lifeguards, or patrols, its because of social distancing, they cant do their job, as its not safe,
So, hundreds of pondlifes all over the country could die on the beaches, and I don't give a shit,
Infact it makes me happier, that these retards are suffering, albeit not enough, and all because of selfishness, to the people who are obeying the lockdown rules, and staying home
But as more of these idiots die, means less pollution of morons are left in this country, and probably all benefit cheats as well
Have to say, in 40 years of marriage, ive never claimed a penny, and currently, as I was a zero hour worker, not had a pound come in in two months, and I don't care, my health and family mean a million times more than money
Also, at my ripe old age of 59 11 months and 20 ish days, (nearly 60) I believe, that ive now decided to retire
So, let the idiots do what they want, infact, encourage them to party, go to the beach, self infect all of their scum households
And England WILL be a better and more intelligent place to live in, devoid of the pondlifes
steve
Did you go to the beach today then ??
What word, idiot, retard, pondlife selfish cunts did you not like ?
I don't care what words, or insults I use, as we are keeping safe, as are my family, and as such, I may never see my Father again
due to he's illness's, I find it incredibly selfish, that an awful lot or retards, flount the law, and are devoid of any form of
intelligence
that requires us ALL to remain safe
People in England are now allowed to sit in the sun and take unlimited exercise outdoors, provided we adhere to social distancing measures.
That means we are allowed to go to the park or beach and sit in the sun as long as we are 2 metres away from people we don't live with. Many of
the people on the crowded beaches would have arrived when it was still quiet enough to socially distance, the problem is the people who arrive later
who should see that the beach is full and go somewhere else, but instead choose to stay.
steve m,
You call other people pondlife and retards, yet you are the one saying you hope people will die, so what the hell does that make you?
How are you any better?
Just a quick reminder that this is a car forum, for talking about the building and enjoyment of Lotus 7 replica's.
Please be polite.
steve m,
You call other people pondlife and retards, yet you are the one saying you hope people will die, so what the hell does that make you?
How are you any better?
Safe and alive?
I apologise for the cu word as historically that would of been bleeped out, however the rest of my comments I will stand by
steve
I think everyone just needs to take a deep breath and respect each others opinions
The government have changed their advice on how we approach this pandemic and regardless of how you feel about it I'm afraid that's the way
it is
As soon as Boris mentioned starting to go to the beach again etc is was always going to go pearshaped anyway 
Even the police accept their pretty much powerless on this..
I do think its a shame though if we've come to the stage where some are wishing ill on those whose actions they don't agree with
(Disagree with their actions by all means, but not wish them harm)
Perhaps everyone gets on better when we stick to cars 
Hi all,
Well, this thread went south pretty quickly and I must admit I was a bit shocked initially at some of the language and sentiment. However, although I
don't condone some of the things which have been said here, we all need to understand that many people are in much more difficult circumstances
than others and we all react differently to that stress. I would encourage anyone who is feeling angry or bitter to talk to a close friend, family
member, GP or other professional before it gets to breaking point. Social networks and forums are honestly the worst place to go when already angry or
stressed!
As for the original topic of social distancing, I too have noticed the apparent apathy/ignorance of some people and it certainly can be annoying when
we're trying our best to do the right thing. We were at B&Q on Sunday and despite arrows on the floor, some people still just walk the wrong
way and make social distancing impossible. As for the more blatant rebellion from some who visit beaches etc, I suspect this has been an issue in
every generation whether it be rejecting advice on drugs, tobacco, alcohol, promiscuity, driving too fast etc.
Just tonight, my wife and I were out walking our dogs near our cottage in the country and we could hear voices down by the river. On our way back we
saw 4 mid-teen boys emerging from a field and getting onto their bikes to head home. They had apparently been down in the river having a paddle/swim.
Were they breaking the law? Yes, probably since this is Scotland where we're still in full lockdown. Did I feel angry at them? No. Especially
when they politely smiled, nodded and said "Hello" as they cycled past. They weren't evil. They didn't wish any illness on anyone.
They were just 4 teenagers being teenagers under difficult circumstances.
Something I read this morning on BBC News website showed that people from age 15-44 in England & Wales have showed a REDUCTION in deaths compared
to 5 year averages for the first 20 weeks of the year. This is thought to be due to reduced road traffic accidents and pub/club violence. Even 45-75
year olds show a fairly modest increase with much higher risks to over 75s. Here is the link:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52807376
I'm 47, as is my wife but we have parents in their late 70s and mid 80s so obviously we're very worried for them. We also have children in
their early to mid 20s so we're also worried about the economic burden on them from all the economic interventions and ongoing impact. It's
our kids who are affected most by the economic impact and yet from the BBC article they are the least likely to be affected by the disease itself. I
still don't know of anyone who has had confirmed Covid-19 although I suspect many people I know have already had it. I myself had a really bad
flu-like cold back in late January not long after spending 3 days in meetings in London with someone who travels back and forth to China on a
bi-weekly basis and who was sick with 104F fever and a bad cough throughout that 3 day period. My wife and daughter also had a similar illness around
the same time.
So, I can't help but conclude that the best way out of this situation is to get the younger generation back to work as soon as possible while
shielding the older, probably already retired, generation as best we can. The generation in the middle is perhaps the most difficult so maybe some
element of personal choice is needed here. Those who want to work should be able to do so and those who wish to be shielded should have that option
and receive financial support. These decisions would also need to take account of all the people who live in a given household obviously but I think
it could be done. We would also need to ensure that the NHS isn't overrun but again, if the BBC article is correct then that shouldn't be an
issue.
Anyway, thankfully I don't have to make these decisions for the country so I can just be an armchair epidemiologist instead!
Stay safe folks - hopefully things will get better for all of us soon.
Yeah, I sometimes think the best approach overall would have been to concentrate on isolating and supporting the elderly and people vulnerable due to
health issues rather than shutting schools and preventing younger healthy people from going to work, who would have had no difficulty just shrugging
this virus off. It was very clear early on this virus was very age range specific. Had they done so then probably far fewer people would have perished
in care homes even though it seems very obvious, even at the start they were the highest at risk.
I don't think we should be suggesting anyone deserves to die even from their own stupidity
Mr Whippy, please see my post. Younger people don't die, but they do have strokes. Massively life changing strokes. If we'd taken your approach many many more of us 40,50 and 60 something's would be in a horrible position.
Correct this DID kick off. I can understand the sentiments that people have posted on here.
My perspective, people are getting VERY frustrated with the "Lock Down" and it IS grating on on people to various degrees. I am 61 this in a
few months, I have been OFF work since the 20th Dec (Xmas break back on 2nd Jan), for Xmas eve I got a really nice present. SEVERE left arm pains,
that left me unable to sleep. this, I think, was a continuation of of earlier mild pains that started in the March before from walking 4 miles. My
physiotherapist up graded me to needing a CAT scan, just as the Covid started. I am now in a holding pattern for this (unless it worsens, severely),
suspected spinal/neck problem. Wonderful. I am type 2 diabetic, COPD, blood pressure, asthmatic, with an irregular heart beat.
My wife is 3 years younger, and, still working (Morrison's check out) bricking it that she might bring Covid home.
My brother (and his wife) are 20 years older than me, (I have 3 sisters between me and him but I DON'T care about them after the crap that they
gave me and my Brother after the death of our parents).
My Mother in Law is 92 in a care home in Bexhill, THIS worries my wife.
I worry about the few friends that I do have, plus those on LCB, and some of the Aircraft restoration groups.
THIS whole actual event that WE are ALL going through is a worry. We get very frustrated with the behaviour of others at this time.
My wife and I have NOT seen our Children OR our Grand Children since before Xmas, then we get told in the last week that we are going to have another
Grand Child (we have EXTRA worries for our Daughter in law).
EACH day you wake up in the morning is a bonus, and, each night that you get to bed is a blessing. BE GRATEFUL. I had a school friend whose life was
turned upside down because she was due to marry a chap, until his sister was killed by the Yorkshire Ripper. I had a Niece who was due to marry a
police motor cyclist, until he was killed by an American tourist driving on the wrong side of the road. AND I have SEEN TOO many people decapitated
while driving their vehicle(s) the first one I was about 9.
BE GRATEFUL.
BUT REMEMBER THOSE THAT YOU NEED TO.
JMHO
I regret having my petty little rant now! 
I am retired, and I don't find it too hard to cope with social distancing - apart from not seeing my grandchildren, which saddens me a lot.
Unfortunately though, my wife has suffered from significant depression in the past, although she had managed to get on top of that with counselling
and pills (now finished, thankfully). My worry is that I see signs of it reappearing now and then due to the lockdown and Covid-19 news, but at least
I know how to deflect her from most of the bad thoughts. The BBC don't help though - she often watches the news and, frankly, it's getting
her down. It's probably getting a lot of people down!
You're not wrong there David - the media have turned sensationalism up to 11 and I strongly believe it's detrimental to many or even most
people.
Before anyone jumps on the freedom of the press argument, I'm absolutely committed to us having freedom of the press but they really need to keep
a better balance between the facts and the tone/sentiment of what they are reporting. The situation is stressful enough without amplifying the stress
levels further! Some of the stupid and persistent questions they have been asking at the daily briefing are just ridiculous! I don't know how the
politicians and their advisers can stand there every day and give professional responses at times!
I've stopped watching any new media on this whether mainstream or web based. It's all just sensationalist nonsense.
I deleted several news apps and feeds on Facebook and signed up to some more sailing and car related groups. I'm now about 200% happier and more
relaxed!
[Edited on 27/5/20 by SJ]
Somewhat ironically, the below article in The Guardian about how the stoic philosophers can teach us techniques to better deal with adversity,
contains a quote from Epictetus warning about media consumption:
quote:
A Stoic would recommend you to be careful of what media and opinions you consume during the virus. Counselled Epictetus: “Other people’s views and troubles can be contagious. Don’t sabotage yourself by unwittingly adopting negative, unproductive attitudes through your associations with others.”
I am sorry that I ranted on, and some of the things I said, were pretty nasty !
But ALL of us, every single person in this country and all around the globe need to realize that,
this is not a joke, its not going to disappear quickly, an awful lot more people will die
Yet, people take the kids to the beach, and party??? no social distancing, no masks, nothing
And have been doing so for weeks,
In my road, the last 8 ish houses of the close, only one guy is still at work, (building trade) and the rest of us, are isolating at different
levels, talk to neighbours at about 3 metres, and we are all doing this, as the longer we do, the lockdown will end
What seriously upsets me, is these retards may not be at risk, but every person they come in contact, might pass something on,
and on, and all of a sudden, my Tescos delivery driver gets the virus, and then we do, unlikely as even the deliveries we have we taken extra
precaution, but you know what I mean
The selfishness of all of those individuals are putting us all at risk, and deep down we all know that once the lockdown ends, the death rates will go
sky high again within two weeks
We will be in a serous lockdown in two months time, all because an enormous proportion of individuals need to go and make sand castles, or play
football in the park
Yet we are prisoners in our own house because of this
steve
I suspect those playing football in the park are actually checking their vision and spacial awareness to ensure they have not been impacted by
lockdown.....
Cummings is an idiot and Boris and Gove are a national embarrassment trying to defend him. Leaders should lead by example. It's somewhat not
surprising when Cummings seems to think the laws are flexible, Boris defends him and Gove says he also goes for drives to check his vision.
The whole national response has been ridiculous.
Oh well. I'm sure the truth will come out in the Commons Liaison Committee later. Oh no, I forgot. Boris broke tradition and decided rather than
allow the committee to elect a chair he'd chose one. Even though his choice no longer sits on any committees which is traditionally a
pre-requisite... And was a leading member of the Brexit campaign. Alongside Cummings. And Boris.
Well that all sounds above board.
Not only to Boris et all think the normal rules of society don't apply to them they subvert governance to get away with it.
Hancock grand-standing for the cameras outside the Nightingale Hospital when it opened. At a time when it was "essential travel" only. I
didn't realise a photo opportunity was essential travel. Perhaps I'll travel half way across London to take a selfy.
It's not surprising people are misbehaving.
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
I am sorry that I ranted on, and some of the things I said, were pretty nasty !
But ALL of us, every single person in this country and all around the globe need to realize that,
this is not a joke, its not going to disappear quickly, an awful lot more people will die
Yet, people take the kids to the beach, and party??? no social distancing, no masks, nothing
And have been doing so for weeks,
In my road, the last 8 ish houses of the close, only one guy is still at work, (building trade) and the rest of us, are isolating at different levels, talk to neighbours at about 3 metres, and we are all doing this, as the longer we do, the lockdown will end
What seriously upsets me, is these retards may not be at risk, but every person they come in contact, might pass something on,
and on, and all of a sudden, my Tesco's delivery driver gets the virus, and then we do, unlikely as even the deliveries we have we taken extra precaution, but you know what I mean
The selfishness of all of those individuals are putting us all at risk, and deep down we all know that once the lockdown ends, the death rates will go sky high again within two weeks
We will be in a serous lockdown in two months time, all because an enormous proportion of individuals need to go and make sand castles, or play football in the park
Yet we are prisoners in our own house because of this
steve
THE hardest part of this sort of social stress is to let go of the baggage that IS affecting you, whether you realise that it is or not, very much
harder when you don't know that it is.
I understand about the stress of a loved one. My wife was reduced to counseling and pills by having her mother come to live with us about 16 years
ago. I could see who and why, my wife couldn't the solution was easy, make my mother in law leave because of me. I married my wife NOT her
mother. After she left I helped get my wife better. My wife understands WHAT I did and WHY. I don't care whether my mother in law dislikes me or
not (she was not keen on me from the beginning, I wasn't a mega rich prince). The important one WAS my wife and my children. My wife is stress
about work, so, I do what I can, Cook, Clean, Home repairs/adjustments, and, if she is tired then let her sleep until she needs to get up. LIFE GOES
ON.
Think back to when you were 16 - 20 (something), tomorrow was something that you were not worried about , it was all about then and the next few
hours, we were Kings and Queens of the future. AS we get older we worry more about the future and if we are blessed (some are not ), we have
children, then (blessed again) Grand Children, we worry more.
I did in a prior post allude to my medical problems, IF you are reading this then some of you will also be aware of some of the problems that a child
of mine is having. ALL I can say about that is certain section of a certain family law area so I CAN'T discuss it. IF you are aware of that area
of the law for personal reasons then you have my sympathies.
THANK YOU ALL for the calmer approach that seems to have taken effect.
Keep WELL Keep SAFE.
JGG.
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
"
I have been told to self isolate till at least the end of August,
Ive had two conversations with Gov.uk, who called to make sure we were alright, I was extremely sceptical on the first call
and was waiting for the " I just need your bank details" type of question. that never came, but from memory the 0330 phone number when you
google it, is was Gov.uk and genuine, also the info both callers gave me was to go to the Gov.uk website, and follow the prompts, it was very easy,
and no scammers would tell anyone to go to a genuine website
Both callers, Gavin, and a Girl, I cant remember her name, said that we were to self isolate, or at the very worst distance, for next couple of
months, and if the shielding letter hadn't arrived, to call the Doctors
So, the shielding letter still hasn't officially arrived, but I do have it on email, and my Doctors have put down, until 31 August
For me, that's part is irrelevant, as not being paid anyway,
However I am in discussion with my Employer via email, and this is an extremely tedious mission, but I do appreciate that 90% of the staff have been
Furloughed, I should be getting SSP at the very worst, and it looks like that I will get £94.50 a week, and back dated, but, the saying Cheque in the
post, springs to mind
Money is the least of my worries at the moment, as I have my Private pension to use, but I would rather be at work for a few days a week
steve
Sorry, if ive misled anyone, as ive just checked, and my shielding letter currently expires 08/08/20 not 31/08/20
Steve
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
Sorry, if ive misled anyone, as ive just checked, and my shielding letter currently expires 08/08/20 not 31/08/20
Steve
My wife's brother-in-law just shared this on Facebook - seems appropriate just at the moment...
As we start to open up.....you do you, I'll do me. That's what the UK's all about. None of us have the same circumstances (medically
high risk child/ family member or a business about to go under, etc.) Let's all stay in our own lanes and keep the judgement down as we begin to
unlock. No one should feel pressured either way.
Just a thought... As the MP's are trying to figure out how to ease back into normal, please remember:
* Some people don’t agree with the unlocking.... that’s ok. Be kind.
* Some people are still planning to stay home.... that’s ok. Be kind.
* Some are still scared of getting the virus and a second wave happening.... that’s ok. Be kind.
* Some are sighing with relief to go back to work knowing they may not lose their business or their homes....that’s ok. Be kind.
* Some are thankful they can finally have the surgery they have had put off....that’s ok. Be kind.
* Some will be able to attend interviews after weeks without a job....that’s ok. Be kind.
* Some will wear masks for weeks....that’s ok. Be kind.
* Some people will rush out to get their hair or nails done.... that’s ok. Be kind.
* The point is, everyone has different viewpoints/feelings and that’s ok. Be kind.
We each have a different story. If you need to stay home, stay home. But be kind.
If you need to go out, just respect others when in public by safe distancing and be kind!
Don’t judge fellow humans because you’re not in their story. We all are in different
"this is not a joke, its not going to disappear quickly"
And there is the key point in all of this. A key point missed by lots of people. This is going to be around for a long time with no guarantee of a
vaccine.
So we cant simply hide away forever because the cost of life due to poverty, homelessness and mental health will far outweigh the virus. We have to
learn to lead a normal life as is humanly possible. We have to return to work. We have to let our kids have contact with their friends for their
sanity. We have to restart education. All whilst shielding as much of the vulnerable population as is possible. Which I commend those who are as my
parents are doing the same, it must be really mentally tough.
And whilst there are rants about social distancing we as a nation have doubled the distance to 2m compared to other countries, I was out walking the
dog earlier and a bloke nigh on leapt into the bushes to get away from me on the footpath!
And all this reporting people for breaches of this that and the other is getting out of hand, a few nights ago we and a few neighbours sat out in our
front gardens having a couple of beers and a chat. All stayed on our own property and the smallest separation must have been 5 or 6 meters and one of
the knobs down the street was out taking pictures and actually called the police!! When they turned up they said they were expecting a street party
the way it had been reported. They told us to carry on being sensible and sorry to have bothered us. The telling tales culture is taking over.
Couldn't agree more!
It's the politically easy decision to carry on with the lockdown and play it safe - the real courage comes from trying to strike an acceptable
balance between direct protection of life and INDIRECT protection which comes from restarting the economy and restoring society. We've also got
Brexit just around the corner so the decisions made in the next 6 months will profoundly affect the outcome for the UK for years if not decades to
come!
I echo David's post above that we all need to be kind and tolerant because we all have such different points of view of this situation and the
way it affects each of us.
The somewhat ironic outcome of all this is that all the people I know, family, friends and work colleagues have never been healthier. With 2 kids
we are normally bouncing from one thing to another and generally feeling like crap, I had bad coughs for months on end, it was becoming a joke at work
I haven’t had a cough or even a sore head once since I started working from home, not one!
Given that Covid-19 is so contagious, I wonder if with this lockdown and all extra precautions taken we have eliminated heaps of other common less
contagious diseases??
I wonder too how many have not been killed from industrial accidents, car crashes, even wars. Yeah we’re just talking cold hard numbers not lives and
family’s destroyed but it would be interesting to find out the numbers. For example people working from home as a norm, would that save tens of
thousands of lives a year? Hundreds of thousands globally even. What about schools can they learn anything from the improved health precautions now
implemented can we use them to reduce the spread of everything else too? Although we focus now on the horror of what’s happening now, I still think a
lot of good will come of this in the end and maybe that is some comfort.
Agreed. I've been working from home full time for several years now and although not every type of job is suitable for home working, I hope in
future many more people will be able to enjoy that flexibility where it's possible. Even my wife, who is a primary school teacher, has been
teaching kids on video conferencing a few at a time and it is surprisingly effective. Parental involvement is also much greater and parental
"appreciation" is through the roof! 
The other thing that strikes me about this whole episode is that it is perhaps the first time I can remember in my 47 years where every country,
continent and culture has been brought together by a common challenge. I work with people all over the world every day and often our video calls start
with an update from each region on the latest situation there. It really has brought a sense of community that I've rarely seen before.
Yes, people have died or had lives changed massively and we should never forget that, but we owe it to those people to try to extract some goodness
from the situation if we can, and I think we certainly will. The planet is certainly healthier too!
I have also thought about some of the positives about this situation we are in, and there are lots of positives
Working from home, has now become the normal, and traveling into say London every day with millions of others is not required
My Daughter in law is a Pa for some senior management in Costain's and has worked from home since March,
She would get up around 0500 to arrive in London around 0830, by train, leave work 5 ish, and regularly not be home before 0830
and this was every day, and must be soul destroying
Now up at 0800, and at home for 1700 !
Coupled with this is the excessive rail fare 7k worth, and not getting a seat on half the journeys,
Then theres lunch and drinks etc during day, she reckons shes saving 10k a year at least,
and she is not fatigued all the time
Initially she did have problems with certain aspects of her job, that seemed impossible to do so from home, but I think everyone involved managed to
get it all done
With all the above, it proves that all this needless travel Trains planes cars bus's the lot, could be reduced by an enormous amount, this in
turn could lead to a cleaner environment, as Air quality now seems to be immensely cleaner, and I only have to use Asthma pump, if ive actually done
something, were as before, it was all the time
My hayfever, that ive had since I was 2 (now59) has almost disappeared, and that is odd !!
Neighbours etc rally round, and if someone needs something we all seem to talk and get it done
Just this morning, ive ordered some stuff of ebay for my next door neighbour as they wouldn't have a clue!
I gave her my bank details, and she already paid me,
I do hope that when this all clears, we can all live in a nicer world, and one that does not have to fight with anyone, and as said, no WARS
steve
Well said! 
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Originally posted by SJ
Have to say I've found it pretty impossible in the supermarket from the start. Some people are wary but many don't seem too concerned. My view is I'll probably get it at some point if I haven't had it already so not overly worried.
Unlike most I do wear a mask.
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