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anyone seen this before....
pentagon strike
....makes you think
There was a program on about that not so long ago (last summer possibly)...
The conclusion was it was definately a plane that hit. Going at 520mph there would be nothing left of the plane (anyone seen the video of the fighter
jet hitting a concrete wall at 600mph?). 5000 gallons of fuel is easily explained...ie the huge fireball.
Besides if it wasnt a plane, where did that flight go? And all the people on it? And why all the people straight after saying it was a plane?
Its just a typical conspiracy theory thing, people who just dont want to believe.
Well IMO,
David
Taken from Their website
"The information in the Flash presentation is simply a collection of facts about the events of that day. We do not state any
"theories". As such we are not "disregarding the truth", despite what many readers claim, quite the contrary in fact."
The problem is it is the facts they want you to see, just like all press it is biased toward thier opinions and beliefs. Everyone is entitled to
their opinion but everyone has to keep an open mind and be understanding of others opinions. You (rhetorical) do not have to accept it, just
understand it.
As for the eyewitnesses of missle sounds...what does a missle sound like. In my 45 years on this earth I have yet to hear a missle at close range so
I could not make any comparison. I have been around fighter jets, commercial jets, civil jets and prop planes of all types, but never a missle.
Just my dos centavos.
David.
Interesting idea. What do you think would happen to a Locost crashing into a wall at 530 mph?
your not using mine!!
OK it was 500mph. Test carried out by Sandia Labs in America. Was an F4 Phantom jet. Carried water not fuel to prevent a big explosion, but you get
the idea of what happens....
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/concreteplane.html
Video is there ^
David
[Edited on 16/3/05 by flak monkey]
However you lok at it, it's very interesting.
they must have flown the plane in almost at ground level when you look at the pic.....
this link shows a discussion with a better detailed picture.
as it says, the twin towers absorbed the planes pretty well and only showed small entry holes....
atb
steve
http://www.madradhair.com/topic.php?topic_id=48180&page=1
picture....
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Ya know looking at you in your avatar, Steve, I've always thought you must be serious about hairdressing. Nice website!
Liam
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
off steves thread. This just about summarises it.
theres conspiracy theories everywhere. What could the US government possibly gain by missiling its own HQs? perposterous idea (wish i could spell that
word!)
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Originally posted by Liam
Ya know looking at you in your avatar, Steve, I've always thought you must be serious about hairdressing. Nice website!
Liam
quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
What could the US government possibly gain by missiling its own HQs? perposterous idea (wish i could spell that word!)
what witnesses?
its easy for eveyone to state this or that, but its facts that matter. If you were studying the attack as part of a degree you would have to quote
multiple documented sources. Its pretty easy to seach reliable sources like the bbc and sky news and it will come up as a plane attack. What
equivalent sources say otherwise? Do you mean to say that no witnesses at the pentagon actually said to the bbc et al that no, it wasnt a plane, it
was summat else? Are the bbc, sky news, abc, reuters, the whole lot, in on the conspiracy?
tony blair got us in to it by saying about 45 minute capability for iraqi attacks. He didnt have to bomb RAF Lyneham, or brize norton to get the
country behind him. neither would bush have to do something as bad as blowing up the pentagon!
and where are all the people from the plane, exactly, if they werent smashed to atoms in a crash? All living it up in florida?
most conspiracy theories are tosh. I cant quote multiple sources for that tho 
atb
steve
[Edited on 18/3/05 by stephen_gusterson]
If the plane didn't crash into the Pentagon, somebody needs to explain to the families of those on-board where the passengers are. Hundreds of
people died in that specific crash (not to mention the thousands of others on that day), and I can't fathom there are people who would use the
event in this manner - saying it didn't happen - to further their own agenda.
My dad is a retired United Airlines pilot, who was in Washington DC on 9/11. He was planning to fly out to see my brother in California that day.
Luckily, he chose to stay in DC another day to help a friend move, as he had taken one of those flights a few times in the past. Departing from the
same airport, same airline, same time. I knew he was in DC and I knew he was planning to head to California on or about that day. Although he
didn't remember the people specifically, a couple of the Flight Attendents killed that day were FAs on flights he flew prior to retiring. The
lady he was helping move knew, but was not close friends with, another FA killed that day (she's a retired FA).
Sorry for my rant, but the whole thing strikes too close to home. It was 36 hours before I got confirmation that my dad wasn't on one of those
planes.
I heard a 'story' of an area outside Washington that is ''now' top secret and out of bounds to EVERYONE , even fly overs,
this could be a poss site for evidence, still seams to be alot of wrong looking theories out there about this one , ie what happen to all the photo
and vid evidence that disapeared, surely this being shown would prove beyond any doubt ???
Jason
I'm not saying that it was deliberate of the gov, but might have been just a wayward missile that missed the original plane
[Edited on 19/3/05 by Deckman001]
There are probably a LOT of areas within the DC area which are closed to all civillian air traffic now, many of which have been closed for decades. I
think the difference now is the seriousness with which it is taken now. Fifteen years ago or so some clown flew a small one-engine plane into the
White House. I don't recall if he hit the building or only crashed on the lawn. I'd bet if that were tried today he wouldn't have
gotten anywhere near his target. Although I have no firsthand knowledge as to any defenses within the capital, I am willing to bet that there are a
LOT of surface-to-air installations in place now - ones that the public don't even know exist.
Think it's any different around Buckingham Palace?
9/11 at the Pentagon:
This is a pretty darn big fireball if it were a missile or small plane. The building is stone and wouldn't have aided in causing this large of
an explosion, unless there were an indoor fuel storage, which isn't real likely.
Because the original video in question says there were video tapes of the incident doesn't make it so. It's like me saying my Honda Civic
(crappy little economy car) was clocked by the police doing 150 miles per hour, but the video "disappeared", so it must be true because the
government doesn't want the public to know.
I'm fine with a good conspiracy theory now and then, but this one is just too rediculous. I'll believe in aliens from Mars before I believe
that video's "proof". Look into Area 51 if you want a good conspiracy.
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Originally posted by JoelP
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
off steves thread. This just about summarises it.
theres conspiracy theories everywhere. What could the US government possibly gain by missiling its own HQs? perposterous idea (wish i could spell that word!)
aah yes, the falling price of oil. that one obviously backfired then...
So much for the "No war for oil" slogan. I hate talking politics, but that premise was bugging me from the start.
Out of curiosity, what is a typical price for gas in the UK now? Last I heard, the average price in the US is around $2.05/gallon. I won't be
surprised to see $2.50 by summer.
[Edited on 20/3/05 by the JoKeR]
About 85 pence per litre at the moment ,, Not sure of the calc to gallons
Jason
About 4.5 litres in a UK gallon, about 3.8 in a US gallon IIRC.
So £3.82 for a UK gallon and £3.20 for a US gallon. ($7.34 and $6.15 respectively)
Not as big of a difference as I expected then. Still, it makes me happy I'm not driving my full size Chevy Blazer anymore. 12-13 miles per
gallon thanks to this $hitty "reformulated" gas we have to use in our city. With other gas it was getting 15-17 MPG. Not quite the 33 MPG
my Honda gets, and I expect the Locost I'll be building will do even better than that (if I keep my foot off the "loud" pedal).
Flak Monkey - I've got to ask about your Maiden banner on your signature. Are you just a big fan or is there some other connection?
Heres a spanner in the works.....some oik tried shooting the airliner down and kinda made a bollock of it and hit the Pentagon...then went and did a proper job which is now all hush hush.......Or they actually managed to nick an airforce plane and the US security bods don't want the world to know what muppets they really are!
I really need to find an English to English dictionary. 
The areas around DC and the Pentagon are too heavily populated for that to happen and
word not get out. Besides, the news media here is so anti-Bush that they would have been all over that if it were the case, aiming to use it as
"another example of how the Bush administration failed to prevent this from happening".
Well he did fail to stop it...so far up his own jacksie i doubt he knows what day it is!
Sorry for use of dodgy English slang....writing how i talk!!!
Bart Simpson would do a better job or at least couldn't do any worse!
Regardless of who was in the White House, it would have happened. The airline industry was not prepared to keep it from happening.
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Originally posted by the JoKeR
Not as big of a difference as I expected then.
It's all so obvious guys! Bush was showing a senator how C.I.A. agent Oswald took out Kenedy as instructed when the the rifle went off in his
hands...downing an American Airlines 757.
Both men paniced and ran out a secret exit (that opens onto the very back lot used to film the lunar landing) hopped a plane to Florida (Where he
once highjacked an election) and had his chronies make up an excuse to frame a bunch of Muslims to get oil prices up.............................
Ever notice how you never see both Osama and Rumsfeld in the same photos??? They aint foolin me!!!!
Fletch,
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Originally posted by Spyderman
$6.15 compared to $2.05 is not much of a difference?
Did I miss something?
Thats the difference cost over here between a UK and US gallon. As a US gallon is different to a UK gallon (by about 1 litre)
In dollars....
A US gallon over here will cost you $6.15, and in the US will cost you $2.05. So we pay 3 times as much for our fuel as you do....but then all our
cars use 3 times less fuel
Makes more sense now. Yeah, there are a LOT of large vehicles on the roads around here. Lots of full size trucks and SUVs used to haul only one
person back and forth to work. That's not my cup of tea, but if somebody wants to spend half their paycheck on gas, that's their problem.
Luckily, I think car manufacturers are finally finding ways of getting better mileage out of those vehicles.
Time for another conspiracy theory: auto makers already have the ability and technology to get a LOT more mileage out of a gallon of fuel, but refuse
to do so because of kick-backs from gas companies. Comments??