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Maybe not the best 4x4 on the road ?
Jon Ison - 19/9/05 at 07:23 PM

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22749-1783784,00.html

john_p_b - 19/9/05 at 07:34 PM

surely that thing should be banned from being sold to the public?!

JoelP - 19/9/05 at 08:34 PM

the shame is, its so cheap that loads of people will be tempted!

Donners90 - 19/9/05 at 09:14 PM

http://www.oeamtc.at/netautor/html_seiten/crashtest/leichtegelaendewagen/landwinddetail.htm

Just look at the driver injuries diagram!!!



video
http://www.oeamtc.at/netautor/html_seiten/crashtest/leichtegelaendewagen/landwinddetail.htm#
[Edited on 19-9-2005 by Donners90]

[Edited on 19-9-2005 by Donners90]

Hellfire - 19/9/05 at 09:44 PM

Good lord above... that thing appears lethal However, it must pass something similar to the SVA to be allowed on our roads.

Doesn't it make you think about how safe we are driving around in our little Brum's? What chance have we got standing up to a 30mph lateral impact?

The more I read about 4x4 type vehicles the more I am convinced that the high driving stance and apparent safe feeling is all "tihs". Having first hand experience of being hit by a 4x4 my car sustained much less damage and my car was not unstable enough to flip over like the 4x4 was.

Did you know the highest death rate for any domestic road going vehicle is a 4x4... I've never liked 'em anyway, can you tell?

steve_gus - 19/9/05 at 09:46 PM

the article states that the car is 1990's technology.

like 70%+ of the cars on the road?



anyone drive less than an X reg on here? get yer death trap off the road.

atb

steve

steve_gus - 19/9/05 at 09:52 PM

try selecting

'alle crashtests'

watch the saxo one - looks worse to me!

atb

steve

benji106 - 19/9/05 at 10:07 PM

blimey, got a 2 star rating tho...

Hellfire - 19/9/05 at 10:12 PM

That Lancia Y thing... jesus wept!

Fiat Seicento (1 Star - looks lots worse than the 4x4's zero rating!)

[Edited on 19-9-05 by Hellfire]

skydivepaul - 19/9/05 at 10:54 PM

looks like it has a balsa wood chassis

NS Dev - 20/9/05 at 12:00 PM

nah, it's not as strong as balsa wood!

rusty nuts - 20/9/05 at 12:14 PM

Probably bamboo , they use it for everything in China

ayoungman - 20/9/05 at 03:02 PM

Personally, when I drive around London at rush hour, I really wouldn't want to be in anything other than my old Landrover. I've survived 4 impacts with other vehicles without a scratch. Obviously, when I drive it, you have got to be aware of its weight, braking inefficiency and lack of steering response.

Mr G - 20/9/05 at 04:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by steve_gus
the article states that the car is 1990's technology.

like 70%+ of the cars on the road?



anyone drive less than an X reg on here? get yer death trap off the road.

atb

steve


I might as well carry a body bag in the glovebox then of my "1983 on an 'A' plate mobile coffin"

Cita - 20/9/05 at 06:34 PM

This crap seems very suspicious to me.
I remember when the first cars arrived a few months ago and nobody from the motor press made any remarks regarding the safety of this car.
As Gusto rightly said if this is the standard than ALL 4x4's of the '90's should be banned,what a load of bullsh"t!
I think the sales figures are that scary to the European's that some kind of technique had to be invented to stop the Chinese.
If the car is beyond acceptable safety limits than simply forbid it to be imported!
I would like to know how a 40 mph frontal impact would reshape a human in a (German) SMART (no offence meant to our German friends on this forum)
There sure must be other means to counteract the "succes" of this car.

steve_gus - 20/9/05 at 07:20 PM

Hi Cita

the mcc smart is on there!

http://www.oeamtc.at/netautor/html_seiten/crashtest/mini/smartsidedetail.htm


its a 3 star car, and it seems to come off really well! Compare against the saxo for example.

Seems like the smaller cars have a little crumple zone, then are stiff enougth to bounce off the rest of the way - recon it would be a bit of a jolt tho!

atb

steve

caber - 20/9/05 at 07:36 PM

So who is going to donate their locost for a crash test, in the interests of us all of course, to see how it performs:-)

Caber
( reguar driver of 1979 Range Rover and 1983 Land Rover!)

Cita - 20/9/05 at 08:06 PM

If my german is good enough Steve than the 3 yellow stars are in the "sufficient" catagory and not in the "good" catagory for the smart.
Oh well,the French played a similar trick with the small Merc a few years ago,even the Traby was better on that particular test!

smart51 - 20/9/05 at 08:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Cita
I would like to know how a 40 mph frontal impact would reshape a human in a (German) SMART


Actually, not a lot. The smart does rather well in crash tests. Contrary to common predudice, a car's crashworthyness is not related to size, but to the passenger compartment's stiffness plus the correct compliance of the crumple zone. The smart has a tripple layer steed monocoque, making two box sections in all the rigid areas, rather than just one. It is mid engined and so all the sapce in the front is crumple zone, which is larger than you might think as it doesn't so much have a short nose as a far-forward windscreen. The smart doesn't have any back seats, which doesn't affect frontal impacts at all, though it does improve side impacts due to not having such a big hole to accomodate two doors on each side. euro NCAP's opinion of the smart was that it was, if anything, a bit too stiff for the 40MPH tests. Most cars now are designed to just withstand a 40MPH crash, using up all their compliance at the euro NCAP speed to give the pest NCAP result. older cars were designed to a 30 MPH test which is why they did badly at NCAP. The smart is not so soft but too stiff at 40MPH. Better if your in a 50MPH crash.

Those of you who design chassis will know that smaller lengths of steel are more rigid than longer ones. Just look at crash test photos of the smart, especially the one where it was crashed into a Fiat Seicento, and the seicento is 50% longer than a smart.

smart51 - 20/9/05 at 08:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Mr G
I might as well carry a body bag in the glovebox then of my "1983 on an 'A' plate mobile coffin"


Nah! That's what paramedics are for!

Of course, you could try to avoid crashing.

Liam - 20/9/05 at 09:00 PM

Watch that video carefully... keep your eyes on the steering wheel/column

How a car looks on the outside after an impact may not necessarily relate to the injuries sustained by the occupants!

Liam

quattromike - 20/9/05 at 09:23 PM

I tell you what if I was going to crash and I had a choice of hitting a tree or that thing I thing it would be the 4x4 i'd be heading for , looks like a nice soft landing
Mike

Mr G - 21/9/05 at 11:08 AM

quote:
Originally posted by smart51
quote:
Originally posted by Mr G
I might as well carry a body bag in the glovebox then of my "1983 on an 'A' plate mobile coffin"


Of course, you could try to avoid crashing.


When the area you live in is 'beige rover retirementville' it's not me going into someone I have to worry about

smart51 - 21/9/05 at 11:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Mr G
When the area you live in is 'beige rover retirementville' it's not me going into someone I have to worry about


Ah, that's alright then. Beige Rovers don't go fast enough to cause any real damage. Body bag not required.

Rek - 30/9/05 at 02:54 PM

More worrying is that it's that cheap there'll be loads more of them parked down by my kid's school in the mornings. It's like a bleeding off road club already. The worst bit is the council painted lines and raised the curbs to stop parking during the summer hols now we cant walk down the road cos they park on the pavement instead!!!

britishtrident - 1/10/05 at 07:42 PM

What happens when a Blue (not beige) Rover hits a 40 ton truck head on at 90 KM/H Both driver and pasenger were uninjured apart from very minor airbag and seat belt injuries.

Apparently the truck was also written off -- front axle was moved back a considerable distance and chassis cracked.

Score Rover 3 : Truck 1 Rescued attachment snapshot2.jpg
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britishtrident - 1/10/05 at 07:48 PM

Drivers door still fits its frame Rescued attachment snapshot3.jpg
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britishtrident - 1/10/05 at 07:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by smart51

Ah, that's alright then. Beige Rovers don't go fast enough to cause any real damage. Body bag not required.


A retired bank manager down the street down the road has a 12 year old beige 820 Vitesse Turbo Sport -- thats the one they made with a 190 bhp err "quite nippy".

gazza285 - 1/10/05 at 08:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
What happens when a Blue (not beige) Rover hits a 40 ton truck head on at 90 KM/H Both driver and pasenger were uninjured apart from very minor airbag and seat belt injuries.

Apparently the truck was also written off -- front axle was moved back a considerable distance and chassis cracked.

Score Rover 3 : Truck 1



Is that the caravan it was towing in the background?

andybod - 1/10/05 at 08:00 PM

that chinese thing looks very much like a vauxhall frontera at the back end have another look see if it,s just me

Cita - 1/10/05 at 08:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
What happens when a Blue (not beige) Rover hits a 40 ton truck head on at 90 KM/H Both driver and pasenger were uninjured apart from very minor airbag and seat belt injuries.

Apparently the truck was also written off -- front axle was moved back a considerable distance and chassis cracked.

Score Rover 3 : Truck 1


Sorry mate but I dont buy this.
90 Kmh head on and the front rims are not even deformed?
Must be a hell of a crumple zone in those 30" front of the wheels
If the truck was driving 85 Kmh in reverse when the collision happened....maby,just maby

Kissy - 3/10/05 at 06:46 AM

The Landwind skirts round the NCAP and crash requirements because it's over 2.5 tonnes and is classified a truck (in the lorry sense). It is on sale in Europe, I'm not aware it is in the UK yet - the Chinese may not want to make the investment in the tooling to produce a RHD car, which even taking into account Australasia, Japan and S.Africa, only accounts for circa 20% of total sales.