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chockymonster - 22/3/06 at 04:34 PM

Seems Mr Brown isn't scamming the motorists enough.
There's a new Ł210 tax band on cars producing more than 225g/km.

The good news is that there's a lower rate of tax for cars producing less than 120g/km (Ł40)

britishtrident - 22/3/06 at 05:07 PM

You honestly think somebody who can afford to run a new Land Crusher or Strange Rover "Sport" for the school run will even notice the extra cost.

Anything over 1.7 tons kerbside weight or with an engine capacity over 2.8 litres should pay 2 grand road tax .

Hammerhead - 22/3/06 at 05:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
Anything over 1.7 tons kerbside weight or with an engine capacity over 2.8 litres should pay 2 grand road tax .

Does that include delivery vehicles in that generalisation? Just think how much your Locost parts would be then!

muzchap - 22/3/06 at 06:28 PM

LOL good point Hammerhead.

But I'm sure we can all sympathise with British Trident on this one.

It is a joke - if ya got money in this country you're ok, if you got nothing e.g. immigrant, ethnic minority you get it on a plate.

If ya somewhere in the middle - like me, you get screwed every which way! :-(

This country sucks for the 'average joe public' - need a militant uprising - LOL

smart51 - 22/3/06 at 07:02 PM

There is already a band for 101 - 120g CO2. My smart is in it. The VED has reduced from Ł70 per year to Ł40 per year There was already a group for 100g or less. This has cone down to free. I think this group is solely for Honda's Insight.

The sums of money are still so small that it will hardly affect anyone's choice of car.

[Edited on 22-3-2006 by smart51]

the_fbi - 22/3/06 at 07:14 PM

This was a slightly misleading report on BBC news which I heard earlier.
It was positioned that he was punishing 4x4 owners with this new higher tax band, but in actual fact its everbody with over 225g CO2.

I was worried because of my Calibra, which is clearly 4x4, but not an issue anyway because its older then 2001 but....

Similar current cars, like the Audi TT 225bhp (which just happens to be 4x4 which isn't relevant, I just happened to check it for a colleague.) its 226g CO2, so it'll be in the same bracket as a gas guzzling Discovery (we have one at work, which is 286g CO2).

Madness, or am I missing something.

britishtrident - 22/3/06 at 07:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by the_fbi
This was a slightly misleading report on BBC news which I heard earlier.
It was positioned that he was punishing 4x4 owners with this new higher tax band, but in actual fact its everbody with over 225g CO2.

I was worried because of my Calibra, which is clearly 4x4, but not an issue anyway because its older then 2001 but....

Similar current cars, like the Audi TT 225bhp (which just happens to be 4x4 which isn't relevant, I just happened to check it for a colleague.) its 226g CO2, so it'll be in the same bracket as a gas guzzling Discovery (we have one at work, which is 286g CO2).

Madness, or am I missing something.

No just some engineer at Audi ain't doing his job.

john_p_b - 22/3/06 at 07:49 PM

his latest fleecing of the motorist simply means for me i'll never buy a newish car with a decent size engine!

i will however continue to drive around my 80's designed motor that dumps neat fuel down the exhaust which sometimes leads to flames etc undoubtedly far less healthy than any 4x4 could be!

JoelP - 22/3/06 at 08:51 PM

he's only human, i think its an excellent approach whilst avoiding penalising old cars that are unable to meet stricter emissions regulations. Using old cars isnt too bad anyway, since a lot of waste gas is released making them new.

And really, people who drive wasteful cars should be penalised, its not right producing such an irresponsible amount of waste gases.

stevebubs - 22/3/06 at 08:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by the_fbi
This was a slightly misleading report on BBC news which I heard earlier.
It was positioned that he was punishing 4x4 owners with this new higher tax band, but in actual fact its everbody with over 225g CO2.

I was worried because of my Calibra, which is clearly 4x4, but not an issue anyway because its older then 2001 but....

Similar current cars, like the Audi TT 225bhp (which just happens to be 4x4 which isn't relevant, I just happened to check it for a colleague.) its 226g CO2, so it'll be in the same bracket as a gas guzzling Discovery (we have one at work, which is 286g CO2).

Madness, or am I missing something.

Nope - the RAC said it would back a 250g / km limit. The govmt changed it to 225g / km which effectively captures almost every engine over 2litres.

According to the Govt report, 50% of cars will see a static or decreased VED.

This means that 50% of vehicles will have a rise....

Thankfully my car was registered just before the cutoff date for the new style CO2-based VED so I think I only see a Ł5 rise instead of Ł25.

nitram38 - 22/3/06 at 09:43 PM

How are they going to determine who pays what?
Will it be done through the automated MOT system?

mangogrooveworkshop - 22/3/06 at 10:15 PM

The new car tax bands
VEHICLES IN NEW VED BANDS
Band CO2 emissions VED bill* Examples
A <100 g/km Ł0 Honda Insight petrol electric hybrid (80 g/km)
Smart diesel (90 g/km)
B 101-120 g/km Ł40 Toyota Prius 1.5 litre petrol-electric hybrid (104 g/km)
Smart car 0.7 litre petrol (113 g/km)
Citroen C2 1.4 litre diesel (108 g/km)
Ford Fiesta 1.4 diesel (114 g/km CO2)
C 121-150 g/km Ł100 Fiat Panda 1.2 petrol (127 g/km)
Ford Ka 1.3 petrol (147 g/km)
VW Golf 1.9 TDI diesel (143 g/km)
Ford Focus 1.8 TDCi diesel hatchback (143 g/km)
Jaguar X-type 2.0 diesel saloon (149 g/km)
D 151-165 g/km Ł125 VW Passat estate 1.9 TDI diesel (159 g/km)
MINI One hatchback 1.6 petrol, manual (164 g/km)
Ford Fiesta 1.6i petrol (154 g/km)
Peugeot 307 1.4 petrol (155 g/km)
E 166-185 g/km Ł150 Ford Mondeo saloon 1.8i petrol (182 g/km)
Vauxhall Vectra 1.8 petrol saloon (177 g/km)
Rover 75 1.8 petrol salon (manual) (185 g/km)
Toyota Avensis 1.8 petrol saloon/hatchback (171 g/km)
F 186-225 g/km Ł190 Land Rover Freelander 2.0 diesel (205 g/km)
Toyota RAV4 2.0 litre petrol (211 g/km)
Audi A4 1.6 petrol (187 g/km)
BMW 5 series estate 3.0 diesel (212 g/km)
Mazda MX5 2.0 petrol (191 g/km)
G > 225 g/km Ł210 Jaguar X type 2.0 petrol saloon auto (239 g/km)
Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe 3.6 litre petrol (269 g/km)
Renault Espace 2 lite petrol (229 g/km)
BMW X5 4.8 litre petrol (324 g/km)
Range Rover 4.4 V8 petrol auto (389 g/km)
Source: Department of Transport

* Add Ł10 for a diesel car in bands B, C, D and E and Ł5 for a diesel car in bands F and G.

mangogrooveworkshop - 22/3/06 at 10:16 PM

Guinness - 22/3/06 at 11:07 PM

The DVLA have a page up on their website, already, here.

But, as usual, I'm confused.

My 4.4 litre V8, that averages 19mpg was registered in '98, so my road tax goes up by Ł5. That's stopped me. Time to scrap the car and buy an electric milk float.

I can't be sure, but I bet that scrapping my car and getting Mr Honda to build me a nice shiney new electric one would result in more CO2 and harmful gases and waste products being produced than me driving around with my twin catalytic converters?

My 1.1 litre Indy was clearly registered in 2005, but has no information on the V5 in any of the noise, emissions or CO2 sections. Does that mean it's zero emissions! Last year I paid Ł110 and it looks like it'll stay the same for next year.

Funnily enough the Indy returns the same sort of mpg as the BMW, wonder why. Heavy right foot?

Mike

Chippy - 22/3/06 at 11:11 PM

Lets face it guys, if you smoke, drink, or drive a vehicle your nice red meat for the chancelor, and he will just bleed you dry. More power to the people is my call to arms. By the by, didn't I hear that all members of the cabinet are to be issued Jag's, bet they will have the 4x4 models.

Chippy - 22/3/06 at 11:11 PM

Must have got really annoyed there, came out in triplicate.

[Edited on 22-3-06 by Chippy]
Now only duplicate.

[Edited on 22-3-06 by Chippy]

muzchap - 22/3/06 at 11:36 PM

So what effect will my 1999 BMW 320D receive?

Nothing? I cant be assed to read all that - just know everything costs money

DorsetStrider - 22/3/06 at 11:40 PM

I live in Dorset (no surprise there (see username) and my journey to work in the mornings takes something like an hour. This is largely because of the thousands (literally) of bleeping 4x4 tanks as all the rich housewives take their little brats to the local grammer schools. In the middle of the day I can make the same journey in 25 minutes without once exceeding the speed limit. This is one tax hike I'm actually in favour of, if you can afford a porche, bmw, or discovery to name but a few you can afford to pay more for your road tax.

As an aside I am in total agreement with chippy. It's time for a shake up. And if you weren't all afraid of lawlessness already... apart from while studying how to build a sports car for Ł250 (something I've still not worked out, wonder if Mr Brown would help me with the sums) I've also studied mordern world history (19th and 20th century's) and I hate to say it but this country is ripe for a 2nd civil war..... anyone wanna put odd's on what the spark will be?

David Jenkins - 23/3/06 at 08:58 AM

According to a recent BBC programme about Harold Wilson, there was nearly a military coup during his government...

omega 24 v6 - 23/3/06 at 12:41 PM

Looked at Gov site and it listds all vehicles after 2001.
Does this mean my V6 omega 2.5 does not change at all??

chockymonster - 23/3/06 at 12:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
Looked at Gov site and it listds all vehicles after 2001.
Does this mean my V6 omega 2.5 does not change at all??

Think it's gone up by Ł5

omega 24 v6 - 23/3/06 at 12:52 PM

OOPS I jusr re read it and your right it's Ł5 quis dearer. Still not going to make a difference to me. It's freezing up here anyway atm so bring on global warming I say (tongue in cheek folks)

NS Dev - 23/3/06 at 01:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
You honestly think somebody who can afford to run a new Land Crusher or Strange Rover "Sport" for the school run will even notice the extra cost.

Anything over 1.7 tons kerbside weight or with an engine capacity over 2.8 litres should pay 2 grand road tax .

that's a pretty bold statement!! So my 2.9 XR4x4 worth Ł500 or so will cost me Ł2k to tax!!! ho ho ho, won't be taxing it then, simple as that! fine is cheaper!

NS Dev - 23/3/06 at 01:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DorsetStrider
I live in Dorset (no surprise there (see username) and my journey to work in the mornings takes something like an hour. This is largely because of the thousands (literally) of bleeping 4x4 tanks as all the rich housewives take their little brats to the local grammer schools. In the middle of the day I can make the same journey in 25 minutes without once exceeding the speed limit. This is one tax hike I'm actually in favour of, if you can afford a porche, bmw, or discovery to name but a few you can afford to pay more for your road tax.

As an aside I am in total agreement with chippy. It's time for a shake up. And if you weren't all afraid of lawlessness already... apart from while studying how to build a sports car for Ł250 (something I've still not worked out, wonder if Mr Brown would help me with the sums) I've also studied mordern world history (19th and 20th century's) and I hate to say it but this country is ripe for a 2nd civil war..... anyone wanna put odd's on what the spark will be?

I agree entirely

DarrenW - 23/3/06 at 01:48 PM

Does anyone have a good weblink to find out what your cars CO is?

smart51 - 23/3/06 at 02:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DarrenW
Does anyone have a good weblink to find out what your cars CO is?

CO or CO2? your CO2 will be on your V5 if you car is taxed on CO2.