Just wondered if anyone could confirm this but the last couple of weeks some of the normal cars they've tested (quick saloons last week and hot mpvs this) have had me wondering about sharing the engines.

The ford cmax last night had a 220bhp turbo engine, think they said it was 2.3 (or was it 2.5)ltr and the previous week i'm sure the 250bhp odd mazda 6 mps thing was 2.3 turbo.
Got me wondering as to whether these are duratecs or variants seeing as mazda/ford share components as ford owns % of mazda etc etc

Ned.

Yeah, there's a turbo'd Duratec Mazda out now AFAIK. Read about it last week IIRC.

Cheers,
James

This link might be of interest

Due to the enourmous amount of money spent on design and manufacture nowadays it makes economical sense to component share.

Mazda, Volvo, Jaguar, Ford, Aston Martin all have a common component pool from which to draw. Bit similar to the VAG and PSA only larger...

Steve

I thought that the engine in that S-max is the same one as the Focus ST. Which i believe is the Volvo 5 cylinder turbo (T5)

But i may be wrong

Gary

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im fairly sure r3nuf is correct, its cheaper to use and engine thats already sorted rather than develop a new one.

Sorry for a bit of a highjack

is the 1.6 duratec the same as the 2.0 unit?

I'm thinking for a sneaky street Ka upgrade I was wondering if its a faily straight forward engine swap

what can I say I like small cars lol

the 1.6 duratec is just a relabelled 1.6 zetec se (the yamaha derived ally block one) afaik

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I thought that the engine in that S-max is the same one as the Focus ST. Which i believe is the Volvo 5 cylinder turbo (T5)

But i may be wrong

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the 1.6 duratec is just a relabelled 1.6 zetec se (the yamaha derived ally block one) afaik

Ned.

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3 weeks ago I was in the Ford Plant in Genk. They are starting to build the new SUV and S-max Galaxies there. In the 'hall of fame' were they show the history of the plant, (mk 1&2 escorts, cortinas, sierra's, mondeos transit etc)
they have a layout model of the trans they use on the Galaxy. It will be a common platform that will share the same underpinnings as the the new Mondeo out next year.

It has what looked like to me a Duratec motor on the front with turbo hanging off the back. On the display next to it was a ST220 that looked quite menacing in the polished hallway!!

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I thought that the engine in that S-max is the same one as the Focus ST. Which i believe is the Volvo 5 cylinder turbo (T5)

But i may be wrong

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you are totally correct, they are the same engines, my mate works at volvo and ive checked out the computer and its not even rebadged its got ford written all over it the the S-max, St and T5 share the same engine- but have different ECus

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thats what i thought at first after reading all the info from here, i seen a post that mentioned that before but ive got a 1.6 SE sport Focus and a 1.6 duratec street car- and the engines are not the same- they dont look it anyway and the street car is way faster, and the power bands are different and the rev limiter are set at diff levels

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puma/fiesta/focus 1.6 are the zetec se (sigma) has I helped seadog source his from some scrappers. late focus blacktop is best apparantly as focus had tubular manifold which is easier modded to suit a kitcar than the cast job on the other engines.

Ned.

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The Sierras had a 1.6 Zetec that turned into the 1.8 & 2.0 Zetec E's (Focus, Mondeo)

The Duratec HE is the 1.8/ 2.0/ 2.3 replacement for the Zetec E - its basically a new engine but has more in common with old Mazda's (e.g. bell housing pattern is Mazda not the old Ford 4cly)

1.25, 1.4, 1.6 & 1.7 Zetec's are the sigma engine or zetec S or SE (completely different - the inlet/ exhaust are on opposite sides compaired to the Zetec E)

most old KA's are 1.3's (also old 1.1 & 1.3 fiesta's and escorts) - Endura block - based on the Valencia block - a shortened Kent X-flow form the original 1976 fiesta (they have pushrods, not OHC's)

but I think the 1.6 in the sport KA is a newer but cheaper Brazilian SOHC 8v head version of the sigma and the latest KA's have a 1.3 version of this engine (they call it a Duratec as well now)

btw - they also call the new V6's Duratecs

Have a look on Burton's website (tech support) : BurtonPower.com

Oh - and the s-max is the same 2.5 turbo as the Focus ST = Volvo engine (re tuned a bit)


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The 5 pots used in the Ford range are not the same engines as the 5 pot in the T5.
It's similar, but smaller, it's a cheaper version of the T5 engine (still by Volvo), different castings and not as strong (less tuning potential).

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i think you are correct !!

cant see them going to all that trouble to remake the 5 cyl engine , see ford know where its at .

also ,, all the volvo tuners are offering focus ST upgrades .

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