Why don't i hear anything ?
I think he was the best driver.....Although he's german
Hi Fooks,
Why don't i hear anything ?
I think he was the best driver.....Although he's german
Good riddance, Cheating Bas*ard
The world of F1 might be a better place without him and his supporters!
We might see some battles on track instead of in the stewards and FIA's offices!
He may have been played hard ball when he drove in F1, but he's no cheat. he pushed the rules , like every body else.
He is the best driver out there still, and did not come in on the tails of his farther success.
The sport will suffer when he goes, i dont know of another driver who can perform so consistantly and drive to the limit in all conditions.
Love him or hate him, it will take a lot to fill his shoes.
Finally spat his dummy out because there's someone far better than him!
At least Alonso is a driver who's prepared to get a bit more physical during the race and take a few risks as well (plus he says England is the
best place to live and he actually has a personality as well!)
Maybe this'll mean more podiums for Button as well (take out a regular podium place and everyone else shifts up one on average?)
That is good news
Johnmor,
I guess from your comments that you don't think diving in a football match, or taking steroids on the athletic field is cheating either!!!
ATB
Simon
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Originally posted by Simon
That is good news
Johnmor,
I guess from your comments that you don't think diving in a football match, or taking steroids on the athletic field is cheating either!!!
ATB
Simon
Every team pushes the boudries and so do the drivers,
Alonso's car was withdrawn last year for technical cheating.
Buttons was done for oversize fuel tank.
Mclaren for suspension cheats, do you really think the driver doesen't know these are in place, every driver tries to push the limits of the
rules.
Alonso's passing maouver on Heidfelt was poor and similar to some of Schumachers games yet nothing is said because hes a "good boy" ,
bollocks, they dont get into F1 being nice, they are all tallented and agressive drivers who win at almost any cost.
Just face the fact, he was very, very good and it will take some very exceptional driver to replace him.
Ps. does Mkindy7 really think F1 will be better without about 150 million supporters who pay a large percentage of the cost of F1. loose them and the
sport will go t@ts up.
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Originally posted by Johnmor
Just face the fact, he was very, very good and it will take some very exceptional driver to replace him.
Schumacher was very good. The problem was he was so clinical and lacking in personality it ruined things for a long time, until some new talent and
better cars came along.
In fact he epitomises all things German - efficient, clinical, calculating, but ultimately a bit on the boring side.
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Originally posted by Simon
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Originally posted by Johnmor
Just face the fact, he was very, very good and it will take some very exceptional driver to replace him.
Yeah, good in the way Gordon Brown is good at denying at denying that he's raised taxes
ATB
Simon
Sounds like he did not want to race with Raikkonen on equal terms.
No doubt he's good but he should have been willing to compete with his team mates also.
He would have beat them anyway and gained more fans for his sportsmanship.
Nevertheless his achievements are amazing and will stand for a long time.
Schumacher is a legend, his appetite for success in F1 was insatiable and he will be a great loss to the sport. His achievements in F1 set a benchmark
against which, all future drivers will be judged.
IMO there are very few drivers in F1 that can go to a team struggling in the championships, make such a dramatic impact and turn around the fortunes
of the team.
Alonso summed it up pretty well "Some people in Formula One will be not so happy about this because there will be no-one to follow in the
races."
He celebrated all 90 wins like they were his first. Such was his appetite. He is still the best driver in F1 at the moment and he will beat Alonso to
the title and leave on a high.
Phil
In my view, Schumacher was the best driver ever to have sat in a F1 car, and will be missed greatly. Some people might call into question some of his
on track antics, but as has been said already in this post, you have to ruthless and aggressive to make it in F1. To be perfectly honest, I think
some of the statements coming out of the Renault camp are more damaging to the sport than anything Michael has ever done.
I admit I am a loyal MS fan and probably have slightly rose tinted glasses where he is concerned, but I've been an F1 fan for many years before
the arrival of MS and when I saw MS in his first year at benetton, it was clear he was something special.
i too feel the need to speak up for schuie. Im no red bastard but i respect the man for his achievements. Never mind the accusations of cheating, he
made up for these with his plethora of fair and square crushing victories. 7 world campionships says it all. He crushed the opposition most years, and
battled for the rest.
He was always going to retire one day, but its very easy to call him yellow. I believe he's just had enough and will walk away. Worth pointing
out that for his last two wins he's had a lot harder time of it and still won.
Respect where respect is due.
[Edited on 10/9/06 by JoelP]
"Sounds like he did not want to race with Raikkonen on equal terms"
Schumacher has been racing on = terms for the last few years, the cars have been only thousands of seconds apart.
How about when he raced Hakinnon, and Mclaren were almost 2 secs a lap quicker Didn't hear a call for = terms then.
But they still had to fight to win.
Most of the drivers who have raced Scumacher, and even his team mates accept he was very difficult to beat, as has been said he was cold ,
calcualting and cosistant. But that is what it takes to win in modern F1 ,
Button is a good driver but to erratic, always finding excuses,
Raikkonen is fast and consistant but lacks the aggresive quality , he also got a great personality (not)
Alonso is very fast and seems to be similar to Schumacher in many ways but its early days. and with Ferrari's money he may take the crown, If so
all good and well.
Lets not deny all the records and championships he has won, surely we're not saying he cheated on every race every year!!!!!!
"The King is dead , long live the King"
I thnk at 37 he's done enough, and
That was John Prescott 
. Didn't Alonso say F1 isn't a sport any more? Too much politics in it for my taste, I'll watch the bikes
instead.
I do think it will be a better sport for the Loss of MS yes,
So what if they loose sponcorship money etc, you often see far better racing in the poorer formulas anyway. Other than the name he was usesless for
sponsors! all I remember was 1 advert where his voice was dubbed into a german accent because he'd spent so long around the english mechanics
he'd developed a cockney twang!
I have never known the FIA etc bend the rules in favour of other teams.
How well are they inspecting the cars for example if it takes the 3/4 of a season the Renaults are winning to catch onto the Mass Damper Idea?
Even other teams know about it as they had been attempting to develop their own!
For all his tremendous skill because of his dirty tactics he will never be fit to be listed in the same list as the true post ww2 greats Fangio,
Moss, Clark, Stewart, Petterson, Andretti, Lauda, Prost and Alonso.
Schumacher belongs on the list of those who despite having great skill played dirty along with the likes of Senna, Farina.
What really disgusts me is the Massa complaint against Alonso, as usual at Monza the rules get bent for the home team, not that the Brits, the
French or the Germans are immune from such low efforts at crowd pleasing.
[Edited on 11/9/06 by britishtrident]
I think its the directions the marshalls get that are to blame. MM enforces somethings strangely due to "interpretation of the rules"
allowing things to be too laxly. The fact that they could tighten up the rules far more means that I dont think that teams are often at fault.
Take the suspension issues... The rules were obviously unclear on the issue if 6(?) teams were doing it, and for three or four years too!
Just as the marshalls deem it wrong due to one way of thinking doesnt mean its wrong to another. If you noticed there werent points docked, so someone
somewhere realised that things could only be changed and not enforced.
I have wondered a lot if MM and BE use these idiosyncrasies for publicity: got us lot talking didnt it!
As for Schuie, yes he has driven consistantly well, but i dont think he has been a good ambassodor for the sport. I accept theres always going to be
'accidents' and 'incidents' but the FIA arent that keen on him, and for a reason. Ignoring blackflags, changing positions on
parade laps, and dangerous driving (all in 1994) let alone the countless situations since.
The true heros of Grand Prix racing has to be the old boys who drove what were essentially death traps (and were in most races).
I say bring back proper racing and at Brooklands! Might stop the locals loosing the virginity on the banks anyway!
The interview with Fabio Biattore (sp?) was most excellent - he was asked some questions and rambles of some unintelligaible nonense then finally
asked "Will F1 miss him?"
"No, we won't miss him" was his reply -
Wonder what Darren at GTS's feelings are. He probably had more insight then most of us.
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Originally posted by 02GF74
The interview with Fabio Biattore (sp?) was most excellent - he was asked some questions and rambles of some unintelligaible nonense then finally asked "Will F1 miss him?"
"No, we won't miss him" was his reply -
Schumacher, or his team, have almost certainly cheated at times.
Maybe not cheating, but as a demonstration of the 'leniency' shown towards Ferrari by the FIA in 1999 Ross Brawn stood in front of TV
cameras showing the barge board which was illegal and for which they had just had their results removed from a race - he highlighted the part which
was not within the required size - by about 1cm. When Ferrari went to appeal they claimed it was a manufacturing tolerance error. If there is anyone
that really thinks they accepted a part for an F1 car which was out of spec by 1cm I would love to know the tolerance you would accept on a locost.
Schumacher has never accepted an equal driver in equal equipment in his team - although you have to give him credit for convincing the management to
allow this. The most telling comment was the one from his manager, Willi Weber, who said that part of the reason for his retirement was because he was
losing his power, implying his power within Ferrari. You can take that how you like, but even James Allen (who has his head so far up MS's butt
it must be very dark) accepted this meant he couldn't dictate terms about the second driver in the team. Let's face it - Kimi is the
strongest driver Ferrari have had whilst MS has been there, and MS is not prepared to stay around and race him. Why not? Presumably he didn't
have the power to veto Kimi being taken on, nor did he have the power to enforce inferior equipment on Kimi so he is off instead.
I do not take away the statistical success MS has, but thos who praise him and point this out should remember that he is the only driver ever to have
his whole championship from one season removed from the record books because of unfair driving.
I am with Flavio - I won't miss him at all!
Is his Statistical Sucess really that good though?
He may have the most pole positions ever (just) but in how many races compared to Senna?
Same with his Start to win Ratio and starts to points ratio,
Surely all his records should take into account how long he has been in the sport?
When you've been around along time and in some of the best teams your bound to have alot of wins etc.
Senna was 10 years in F1 had three times world-title. 1984-1994
Prost was 13 years around 1980-1993 had 4.
Schumacher was 15 years in F1 had 7 titles. So??
Michael has every record broken. He is just the best driver ever.
The luck for him is that he has brains, some of the others have less.
I think all the teams are cheating one way or the other.
Look back to Mclaren how fast they where when traction-control were forbidden.......
Only the bad thing : he's German
[Edited on 12/9/06 by t.j.]
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Originally posted by t.j.
Look back to Mclaren how fast they where when traction-control were forbidden.......
[Edited on 12/9/06 by t.j.]