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is quattro and 4motion the same?
ned - 9/10/06 at 09:55 AM

Was jsut wondering last night whilst browsing the audi website whether the 4motion vw system as used on golf's and passat's was the same system as used on the a3 and a4 and badged by audi as quattro?

I know that they're all vwaudi group and that most of the running gear is shared platform just wondered if it was also the case for the 4wd.

Ned.

[Edited on 9/10/06 by ned]

Hammerhead - 9/10/06 at 10:04 AM

i'd hazard a guess that it is. The Audi TT chassis was the same as the golfs (so we are lead to beleive) I would assume that the Golf 4 Motion inherited the TT's quattro system................or was it the other way round? mmm.

StevieB - 9/10/06 at 10:14 AM

Everything is the same with Audi/VW/Seat/Skoda!

Might as well get the 4x4 Skoda Octavia - it's essentially a TT underneath, is cheaper, less poncy and has more load space

Volvorsport - 9/10/06 at 10:15 AM

i think the engines have a different layout ?

4motion is like the golf synchro of old .

FWIW

John.Taylor - 9/10/06 at 11:07 AM

My A4 Tdi has a longitudinal engine and can be had with Quattro, whereas the Golf 4-motion is transverse so I assume that the gearbox and 4WD setup will be totally different.

ned - 9/10/06 at 11:09 AM

John is that a 4-pot or v6?

cheers,

Ned.

chockymonster - 9/10/06 at 11:19 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Hammerhead
i'd hazard a guess that it is. The Audi TT chassis was the same as the golfs (so we are lead to beleive) I would assume that the Golf 4 Motion inherited the TT's quattro system................or was it the other way round? mmm.


The quattro system is a full torsen setup whereas the 4motion uses a haldex hydraulic diff to transfer power to the rear wheels.

The a3/tt/4motion aren't full time 4wd, they primarily pump power to the wrong, sorry, front wheels. If the front wheels slip then power is transfered towards the rear.

edited to add, any of the current transverse engine will have the haldex system whereas the longditudal will have quattro.

[Edited on 9/10/06 by chockymonster]

ned - 9/10/06 at 11:46 AM

so do all a4's have longitudional engines?
and are all a3's transverse?

does this ring true for any vw equivalents engine spec wise? ie:
a3 - golf
a4 - passat

A bit of time and googling I think I've answered my question:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quattro

[Edited on 9/10/06 by ned]

Liam - 9/10/06 at 12:55 PM

Good example of badge in-breeding this!

The bigger cars, i.e. a4 upwards use the quattro platform - so a passat 4-motion is indeed a quattro in disguise. The smaller models all use the 4-motion/synchro platform - thats A3, tt, golf, octavia all transverse and no proper quattro gubbins.

Liam

Agriv8 - 9/10/06 at 12:57 PM

Nope a6 = passat

regards agriv8

zilspeed - 9/10/06 at 01:36 PM

Ahem - for Quatttro 4motion translation keep reading. :-)

4motion Passat (B5.5) had the longitudinal engine and hence proper Quattro IV (in Audi speak). So, proper full time 4WD. Just like the A4, A6 and A8

Any transverse engined car - regardless of what it says on the back - has a haldex clutch, so part time 4WD.

So, if you want proper Quattro or 4motion, you need a north/south engine.
None of this nancy boy transverse nonsense.


John F ex Passat 4motion owner and general VAG 4WD anorak.

[Edited on 9/10/06 by zilspeed]

ned - 9/10/06 at 01:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Agriv8
Nope a6 = passat

regards agriv8

I've heard this before but always argued against it..

octavia and bora (now jetta again), (do they still make toldeo's?) = booted golf

a3, beetle, tt , leon = golf

superb = a6

phaeton = a8

I always thought an a4 was bigger than the octavia/bora as it's bigger than a booted a3?

hence I thought a4 was equivalent size to passat rather than the passat being a6 sized?!

And do all audi a4's have longitudional engines? even the 4-pots?

cheers,

Ned.

[Edited on 9/10/06 by ned]

irvined - 9/10/06 at 02:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Volvorsport
i think the engines have a different layout ?


FWIW


Correct, although they use common engines between different makes models, ie, the passat, has an inline 4 as per the audo, but the octavia has a transverse 4 as per the golf - of course this is based on my experience of about one of each.

MikeRJ - 9/10/06 at 03:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ned
I've heard this before but always argued against it..

octavia and bora (now jetta again), (do they still make toldeo's?) = booted golf


Just to nit pick, the Octavia is not booted, it's a hatchback (a very spacious one as well).

ned - 9/10/06 at 03:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by ned
I've heard this before but always argued against it..

octavia and bora (now jetta again), (do they still make toldeo's?) = booted golf


Just to nit pick, the Octavia is not booted, it's a hatchback (a very spacious one as well).

True enough, my dad's got one, put my bora side by side with it and you can see it's the same car. I always assumed the bora was a hatch because of this - until i bought one! The octavia's hatch makes it very flexible load space.

Ned.

Agriv8 - 9/10/06 at 09:58 PM

ok my 2 pence not that its worth anything my gut feeling is that things are tested on the seat and skoda and when the buggs are ironed out they are mved on given very minor twaeks and released as the VW and Audi brand.

I do know that the leon and the a3 were the same

regards

Agriv8