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MSA Blue Book section K22
NS Dev - 19/10/06 at 06:16 PM

as the title says, can anybody who has a current msa blue book confirm whether there is still a statement about engines must have 2 valves per cyl, and is there still a requirement to keep dull interior trim??

Its the road rally tech regs section by the way.

Andy S - 19/10/06 at 06:39 PM

Engine -

maximum 4 cylinders
maximum 2 carburettor chokes (two single or one double)
One camshaft per bank of cylinders - which I think kind of answers your question - unless you are using a Dolly sprint engine.

If two cams then it has to have fuel injection all as original and the plenum and throttle body are un modified.


Sheesh pick and easy one why dont you....


Standard Wankle is regarded as 3 cylinders
twin rotor a no no.


All Major internal trim must remain - you can change front seats and cut trim to fit cage but not remove it - it has to be as showroom


Cheers

Andrew

Trainee MSA scrutineer

matt_claydon - 20/10/06 at 06:57 AM

Andy,

On a semi-related matter - is it OK to have a 'zero' car (K33.6) on a twelve-car rally and if so must they be given the route or can they be expected to decode navs as per the competitors? As I understand they must complete the course (correctly) before any of the competitors so expecting them to decode the route is almost certainly not on, but then I'm sure I've seen it being done.

Edit: And is the zero car covered by normal insurance (as it's not competing) or does it need to be covered under the same policy as competitors?

Cheers,
Matt.

[Edited on 20/10/06 by matt_claydon]

NS Dev - 20/10/06 at 07:28 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Andy S
Engine -

maximum 4 cylinders
maximum 2 carburettor chokes (two single or one double)
One camshaft per bank of cylinders - which I think kind of answers your question - unless you are using a Dolly sprint engine.

If two cams then it has to have fuel injection all as original and the plenum and throttle body are un modified.


Sheesh pick and easy one why dont you....


Standard Wankle is regarded as 3 cylinders
twin rotor a no no.


All Major internal trim must remain - you can change front seats and cut trim to fit cage but not remove it - it has to be as showroom


Cheers

Andrew

Trainee MSA scrutineer


I think the response I am looking for is "ah shucks"!!!!!!!!

I thought the rules might have been revised a bit more than that......doh!!!!

The trim I can cope with, though why I should have to sit amongst a load of flammable foam I can't quite comprehend!!!!!

Engine wise that is a real pain, was hoping that a 16v XE engine in a manta would be permissible by now!

Certainly I assume some motor clubs are not using that reg, as several seem to let full stage cars run on road events!

Oh well, looks like I had better get good at engine swaps, and keep the 8 valve engine to hand for road events!

timf - 20/10/06 at 01:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
Andy,

On a semi-related matter - is it OK to have a 'zero' car (K33.6) on a twelve-car rally and if so must they be given the route or can they be expected to decode navs as per the competitors? As I understand they must complete the course (correctly) before any of the competitors so expecting them to decode the route is almost certainly not on, but then I'm sure I've seen it being done.

Edit: And is the zero car covered by normal insurance (as it's not competing) or does it need to be covered under the same policy as competitors?

Cheers,
Matt.

[Edited on 20/10/06 by matt_claydon]


apply for 2 permits for the same night a few weeks apart then you can run 24 cars

( this is what was done by the police motor club on one event i did also what was fun was the tc's were manned by bib in trafic cars

[Edited on 20/10/06 by timf]

Andy S - 20/10/06 at 04:53 PM

Hi Matt,

A bit outside of my experience which is very limited regarding organisational aspects of competitions. I would have a chat with a CofC regarding that one.

Cheers

Andrew

quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
Andy,

On a semi-related matter - is it OK to have a 'zero' car (K33.6) on a twelve-car rally and if so must they be given the route or can they be expected to decode navs as per the competitors? As I understand they must complete the course (correctly) before any of the competitors so expecting them to decode the route is almost certainly not on, but then I'm sure I've seen it being done.

Edit: And is the zero car covered by normal insurance (as it's not competing) or does it need to be covered under the same policy as competitors?

Cheers,
Matt.

[Edited on 20/10/06 by matt_claydon]