Just picked up a parking ticket while dropping off a DVD at Blockbusters

Some community support that is....

John

Were you parked on the pavement outside like they do round here? You'd think it would kill some people to walk the 100yds from the car park.

can i help support the girl in your avatar???

please?

I'll pay the parking fine

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Originally posted by Peteff
Were you parked on the pavement outside like they do round here? You'd think it would kill some people to walk the 100yds from the car park.

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Kinda figured that dropping off a DVD was unloading

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If you simply dropped the DVD and returned immediately to the car then you were unloading so contest the ticket. If you had to wait to give it back then it was not unloading a pre arranged delivery therefore you are nicked my son!

caber

Up to 21 days to pay or contest it if its the same as the others. If it definitely was a PCSO who issued it then you would be hard pushed in court as they'll be ultra mad keen as its not summat they get to do often so they'll be practising writing their statement over and over and have it double checked dropping in a few 'key' words. I can't really help as we're not allowed to issue them in Greater Manchester, for the reason above, you'd be overly alienating your community. And thats a Traffic Wardens job

"Congratulations sonny, You're my 98th van driver I've nicked today for not wearing a seatbelt".
The PCSO who nabbed me was barely 4' tall and had the worlds biggest coat on! It cost me a £30 fine and my tea was cold when I got home but I s'pose one £30 ticket in 17years driving isn't too bad and it was entirely my fault as I wasn't wearing my seat belt!! But I wasn't driving a van...........

Well to me it sort of makes sense. You were wrong and have been nicked.
Personally I think a warning would have been more community spirited.
On the other hand I suspect they've (wardens) been put in place to supplement the governments lack of proper beat police at a lower wage. Said wage has to be paid for (by the motorist now there's a surprise).
As for generating community spirit there's no chance that you will be of that mind now is there.
So when a group of thugs are kicking the poo out of them and you witness it will you be inclined to help, out or even stand up in court
I'd imagine you'd say NO EFFING WAY.
As an aside locally here I know of a couple of guys who've had letters warning of seatbelt wearing and parking restrictions. So presumeably the wardens have access to all the info that the plod have???
Rant over.

I recently had a incident of youths throwing stones at house windows in my area.I chased the youths and caught one and made him take me to the others homes , as i didnt know what to do short of battering him i called the police. I was suprised to have a car turn up with in 10 mins but it was 2 community support officers. They dealt with the kids that I had caught but then told me I shouldnt have chased them and should have left it to them. When i asked what they could have done basically they said not a lot as they are not supposed to chase anyone either and were not equipped to do so.
They were however very gratefull that I had caught the culprits as they had been having problems for some time in the area.
It seems as if they are a token gesture to make it look as if policing has been increased when the properly qualified officers numbers has been reduced however they do seem to have a usefull presence in the area whereas there was never a police officer to be seen previously.
Paul.

Yeah my mum lives in Newark and the parking problem around that Blockbusters can be a nightmare think thats why they are cracking down.

If I thought I could get some milage out of it I would contest it, but signage says loading/unloading between 4pm and 10am.
I was there for 7 mins...

As an aside, saw a young lady (read Vicky Pollard) get rummbled shoplifting in Grantham Asda last night. 4 CSO arrived to detain her while they waited for another 2 regular cops to arrive and charge her.... Now thats efficient policing

John

PCSO's have no power of detention only the power of requiring a person to wait for up to 30 minutes. Which if not complied with will result in an arrest..by a police officer. So yeah I see your point.

So, what can they actually do should , for example, a fight kick off? Are they able to do some sort of citizens arrest at all?

Nope. You lose the right of a citizens arrest. If the persons taking a real kicking then its up to you if you want to try and stop it but you must use reasonable force. The thing being, here in Greater Manchester, we have lost the right to use reasonable force so although I've been assured that I will be backed up if I have to break summat up, its a little contradictory eh? You're supposed to just call for an officer on the radio and hope your presence wil stop everything.

AAAARGH.........

Good week this one.

Just collected another parking ticket.

Dropped a squash racket off to the Landlord of my local. Keys still in car and door open, came out after less than a minute to find the b@astard writing a ticket. Asked him politely not to waste his ink as I was leaving.... 'Too late' his reply.

Always kinda supported the cops, despite the unnecesary tax levied against motorists, but thats me done with them. Wouldn't p!ss down their throats if their lungs were burning.

PCSO? If so he could always void it, never too late but means filling forms in for him when he gets back. To be honest though, not starting a fight, I would've learnt to stop parking where I shouldn't, no matter to lthe length of time. Feel free to tell me to flick off though, I know its irritating.

Not a PCSO this time. this was a bona fide sh!t eating pig...

What annoyed me most was he was trying to be nice and chatty while he wrote the ticket. As they seem hell bent on being universally despised by motorists, dont bother trying to be pleasant, it doesn't wash...

Asked him if he would just write it as I was in a rush, 'wont be a minute sir just getting the number' told him they were false plates anyway as it was a stolen car...
His reply to that was 'oh we're not bothered about that'.

I guess the millions raised by scameras and traps doesn't pay for the Christmas party at Newark po...LICE station.


Yeah you're right Mistergrumpy, what I should do in future is just stop the car in the middle of the road, flick on the hazards and leave it, if i'm gonna be a while, pop the bonnet for added effect, maybe even get the triangle out the boot...

[Edited on 6/12/06 by spunky]

I thought you got 15 minutes delivery grace no matter where you parked?

i thought if you drove away before the ticket was placed on the windscreen the ticket was not valid, therefore you should of just got in a drove off instead of talking to him.

If you'd done that round here you'd have come back to an empty space where the car had been I think he did you a favour.

No no, don't do that. If you drive off on a police officer, you will be in the sh!t big time. With any of my tickets, though we don't do parking ones,if you leg it your address is traced and its just posted and if I asked for your name and address and you wouldn't give it, the police would just come and carry you off again.

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i thought if you drove away before the ticket was placed on the windscreen the ticket was not valid, therefore you should of just got in a drove off instead of talking to him.

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if I asked for your name and address and you wouldn't give it, the police would just come and carry you off again.

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Mister grumpy
Could you please clear up something for me that I've always wondered about?

Were you bullied at school?

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Were you bullied at school?

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Nope. They wouldn't dare. Lets get this right, I can't and wouldn't issue parking tickets and in fact don't issue tickets for the the other stuff. I just think it creates a rift in the community I work in, which I really don't need as its not a particularly police friendly area. Its a good job but just a step to getting into the police, I need the work after coming out of the RAF after 7 years. I'm an aircraft, weapons and explosives man by trade and there's not much call for my skills outside in a legal capacity. So no I'm no little Hitler but I have gotta say as above I would just stop parking where I shouldn't. Its not rant by the way, just don't want you to think I'm a miserable sod, Grumpy maybe but I wouldn't take it out on other people. Feel free to carry on though, I won't take it to heart

Only posted this thread to have a quick rant about PCSO. No need to get personal

Anyway since i'm here, an update.
Had a look around Blockbusters after some research... and guess what. the yellow lines are incomplete...

'The form of signs and road markings are prescribed by the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 (the Regulations). The Diagrams showing single and double yellow lines are 1017 and 1018 respectively. Both clearly show a T-bar at one end of the yellow line(s). The tables under the Diagrams, at item 4, contain the entry, "Permitted variants: None".

The Regulations therefore permit no variation to the form of the yellow line(s) as shown in the Diagrams, and a T-bar must appear wherever the yellow line stops and starts, for whatever reason. The road markings in question do not conform to this prescribed form and thus have no legal force whatsoever. They terminate at a point where there are no further restrictions in force but do not have the prescribed T bar ending. This violates both the regulations and usual practice. For this reason any parking tickets given on this stretch of road cannot be valid.'

Strike one.


Now then, mistergrumpy, your councel if you would be so kind.

Am I correct in thinking that the ticket must be completed accurately and completely?
You see, probably due to my interruption, above mentioned poolice cuntstable has omitted to fill in the times that I was 'allegedly' commiting this offence

So according to this ticket I wasn't there for any time and yet have been charged with 'waiting'

If so
Strike two...

John

I'm genuinely not taking it personal or having a rant just don't want people to think I'm a totally miserable sod,But if they do fine. Totally chilled. I'll try and ask a copper today about the ticket because like I say I can't issue them, but yeah, totally, you're entitled to your day in court. I'll let you know later.

Think you probably were lucky not to be reported for leaving your keys in the ignition

Right. I couldn't pin a police officer down but spoke to a special and an ex traffic warden and they seem to think that you're on to a winner if they've not filled the ticket out right. My only thing would be that the officer is legally obliged to enter the ticket details into his own notebook, so the time will be there but seemingly this shouldn't overly matter. The ticket was written wrongly. Keep us updated, I'll be interested to know how you get on.