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02GF74 - 24/6/07 at 11:00 AM

see these van den hul the first cables;

now why would they say:

quote:
Note: The First Ultimate interconnect is NOT suitable for connecting a pre-amp to a power amp. The optimum cable for this is The Second.


how can it make any difference? Is it just marketing BS to get you to by the Second, whcih are 2x the price?

[Edited on 24/6/07 by 02GF74]

oadamo - 24/6/07 at 11:15 AM

there just the model of leads.
i use acoustic research as ive found them the best.
adam

blakep82 - 24/6/07 at 11:40 AM

these cables are for line level signals, the second cables are for a higher voltage (as pre-amps boost from line level up a bit by increasing the voltage before the amp)

not entirely sure why a higher voltage would be a problem though, since we're not talking much voltage...

but, HOW MUCH?! £193 for 0/8 of a metre?! seconds are actually cheaper at £189 for 0.8M

[Edited on 24/6/07 by blakep82]

Macbeast - 24/6/07 at 03:52 PM

Amp input level should be line level - whatever that is (probably 100mV, -20dBu or whatever) £200 for an 80 cm phono lead is a waste of £199.

And with speaker distortion ( electrical to mechanical power conversion ) at 10% who cares about quality of leads?

Lots of power maybe needs thicker speaker wire on longer runs but don't bother going for super oxygen-free copper leads - a pair of cheap jump leads will do the business.

Snake-oil salesmen still in business evidently



[Edited on 24/6/07 by Macbeast]

gazza285 - 24/6/07 at 06:32 PM

Most recording studios and live sound systems use Van Damme cables with Nuetrik connectors. You can get them off eBay cheap enough from this bloke (no connection). Can't see how spending another £200ish will improve matters over what is the industry standard cable and connector.


Reminds me of Radio3, loved by audiophiles, which uses old, tea stained equipment held together with gaffa tape and string.

02GF74 - 25/6/07 at 01:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Macbeast
Amp input level should be line level - whatever that is (probably 100mV, -20dBu or whatever) £200 for an 80 cm phono lead is a waste of £199.

And with speaker distortion ( electrical to mechanical power conversion ) at 10% who cares about quality of leads?

Lots of power maybe needs thicker speaker wire on longer runs but don't bother going for super oxygen-free copper leads - a pair of cheap jump leads will do the business.



I hear what your saying, being trained in electrickery, they all are wires so should not make any difference, but the annoying thing is it does. some of it is personal preference and you can tune the sound (add/remove bass etc by choosing difference cables. I have 1 pair the vdh the first and they do make a difference in making sounds clearer - I have tried vairous copper and copper/silver calbe - gon as far as making a swtich box to swap cables so can listen to them blind and not noticed differecnes despite what the manufacturer's claim.

but back to query - from what I can find on the web, it seems to have something to do with screening and hum;vdH the first were suseptible to hum, the first ultimate had metal screening to coutneract this and the second, being different construction don't suffer from hum pick up.

MikeRJ - 26/6/07 at 02:03 PM

Sorry but I think it's utter horse sh1te. If you pay lots of money for something, you will convince yourself that it sounds better.

Some people will pay good money for gold plated power sockets and solid silver power cords when there's half a mile of manky old copper between them and the substation!

[Edited on 26/6/07 by MikeRJ]