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Gate Valve vs Stopcock
Surrey Dave - 16/8/07 at 05:52 PM

Whats the difference can I use a Gate Valve for my main water stopcock?

My main stop cock is 40 years old and I would like to replace it.

(I realise this may be an invitation for some carry on type humour!! matron!!)


ruskino80 - 16/8/07 at 05:57 PM

gate valves are not suitable for mains or high pressure,just install a new stop tap inline after the old one.job done.


MkIndy7 - 16/8/07 at 06:04 PM

Also gatevalves often snap off after many years!

There probably cheeper as well!


Peteff - 16/8/07 at 06:11 PM

Gate valves don't generally have rubber seats in them.


Surrey Dave - 16/8/07 at 06:41 PM

I would like to get full flow on the main feed so my combi boiler can do it's best with the hot water flow , what about those red lever cut off valves, they are full bore, are they OK on the main water pipe?


darrens - 16/8/07 at 07:16 PM

hang on, a stopcock is actually a gatevalve

correct me if I'm wrong.


Confused but excited. - 16/8/07 at 07:25 PM

Ball valve will give full flow. Get a stainless one with ptfe seal.


darrens - 16/8/07 at 07:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Confused but excited.
Ball valve will give full flow. Get a stainless one with ptfe seal.


ditto above


MkIndy7 - 16/8/07 at 07:31 PM

Only certain ball valves will give full flow, most of the Cheepy Ballafix valves narrow to about 10-12mm at a guess, but there are more expencive types, possibly "Peggler" make that are full bore and are physically larger.

I can see why being idealistic you might want a "full flow" valve.. but the first thing it will go through in the combi is a restrictor of some sorts to throttle the outlet flow so you get a descent temperature out of the combi, they just Cannot warm up the full flow of water to acceptable levels.

A mains stopcock and a gatevalve are different, even to look at a Gatevalve all the valve body is inline on a stopcock all the body of the valve looks to be to one side as internally they are different.


ruskino80 - 16/8/07 at 08:03 PM

agree with above.

check that the boiler cold input has not been throttled down to limit flow-but if it has it will have probably been set like that by the installer on purpose to achieve good hot water draw off.


BenB - 16/8/07 at 09:13 PM

In my experience stop-cocks can handle mains pressure, gate valves can't.... they tend to leak when completely closed due to the lack of a washer....

Just my experience...

If you need to be able to completely isolate the water supply you're best going for a proper stopcock and doing it properly....

And their method of failure is different... Stopcocks just jam solid, gate valve knobs rip off


ruskino80 - 16/8/07 at 09:25 PM

gatevalves and stoptaps/cocks only fail for 1 reason-----lack of maintainance,they should all be used a couple of times a year ie closed snd reopened,to keep the moving parts moving-of course the reality is no one ever bothers-however keeps me in work so please ignore my advice


MikeRJ - 16/8/07 at 10:01 PM

Gate valves are rubbish IME, they always leak a little bit. Very annoying if you are trying to solder a pipe that is isolated by a gate valve and it slowly fills up.


40inches - 17/8/07 at 09:33 AM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
Gate valves are rubbish IME, they always leak a little bit. Very annoying if you are trying to solder a pipe that is isolated by a gate valve and it slowly fills up.

I'll second that they very rarely shut off completely and often jam shut with the wheel spinning freely.Nightmare. Thank god for freeze spray