just had this from my mate at Ultima!!

Top Gear Lap record

its interesting, as Top Gear have never invited Ultima to be on the show (due to politics involving Lee Noble and Clarkson, as far as I know), but they have now independently run on the top gear track, and broke the record on the first lap, which is quite amusing

No great surprise there, we'll just have to wait and see if a BRITISH car show will actually give some air time to an ALL BRITISH BUILT car (unlike Noble who build their cars in south africa) which is faster by a huge margin than anything else ever tested on the show on road tyres!!!

I want one. That really is some motor. come on Clrkson, bring a bit of British beef to the party!

I wasn't aware that Noble still had any interest in Ultima?

Absolute Quality!

always said Clarkson is a (word that sounds like anchor)

Nothing better than seeing a car beating cars 2/3/4 times its costs!

Just squeaked inside the time mind

Nearly five seconds

5 seconds <Rude version of blimey!!!>, that just humiliating to all the supercar companies. Being driven by the stig means it's all fair and above board as well.

Think Top Gear need to be shamed into putting it onto the show.

What exactly is the Noble Clarkson problem?

Sure 5th gear would be happy to put it on just to wind up Clarkson

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Originally posted by TimC
I wasn't aware that Noble still had any interest in Ultima?

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Originally posted by iank
5 seconds <Rude version of blimey!!!>, that just humiliating to all the supercar companies. Being driven by the stig means it's all fair and above board as well.

Think Top Gear need to be shamed into putting it onto the show.

What exactly is the Noble Clarkson problem?

Sure 5th gear would be happy to put it on just to wind up Clarkson

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Wasn't it driven by Richard Marlow?

Steve

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Originally posted by iank
5 seconds <Rude version of blimey!!!>, that just humiliating to all the supercar companies. Being driven by the stig means it's all fair and above board as well.

Think Top Gear need to be shamed into putting it onto the show.

What exactly is the Noble Clarkson problem?

Sure 5th gear would be happy to put it on just to wind up Clarkson

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TO be fair to quote Ultima...

....Driven by Ultima’s own Stig..

So assuming that it isnt the same one.

Though I suppose Ultima’s own Stig may or may not have driven the lap as much as the official Stig.

Regards

Agriv8

Edited to add that after reading that It comes across really negative. SO :-

WELL DONE ULTIMA for keeping it british.

( apart from the engine and gearbox of course )

[Edited on 23/10/07 by Agriv8]

probably.

I'l, give him a call this eve and find out, haven't spoken to him for a couple of weeks so ought to catch up anyway!

He drove a different line to the normal way the stig drives. Watch the line through the follow through. So wasn't top gears stig.

Would be intresting to see what he gets out of it. Could be that he can't drive an ultima as fast as ultimas own driver who uses it every day. Just my tuppence worth.

If its Richard driving, then he is an extremely good driver, but has never driven on that track before, so for me he has the disadvantage compared to the real stig, but we need the proper show to run it now for all to see!

We all know it will be the quickest thing round there, its just a case of what the winning margin will be.

WOW - well done Ultima. i know the lap is recorded as a hot lap, but smashing it by almost 5 secs indicates that they may be able to beat the record from a standing start in the 800!!! Now that would be the ultima(te) embarassment to the high cost Supercars. If Top gear did decide to show the car on TV then such a stunt would make a superb finale to the show.

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Originally posted by DarrenW
WOW - well done Ultima. i know the lap is recorded as a hot lap, but smashing it by almost 5 secs indicates that they may be able to beat the record from a standing start in the 800!!! Now that would be the ultima(te) embarassment to the high cost Supercars. If Top gear did decide to show the car on TV then such a stunt would make a superb finale to the show.

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Originally posted by NS Dev
If its Richard driving, then he is an extremely good driver, but has never driven on that track before, so for me he has the disadvantage compared to the real stig, but we need the proper show to run it now for all to see!

We all know it will be the quickest thing round there, its just a case of what the winning margin will be.

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its embaresment at top level anyway because i'm sure the pressure on them (top gear) is on from the automotive industries sow if they put the ultima on or another tiger double engined thing etc. etc. then i'm quite sure ferrarie woundn't send an Enzo to the show etc. etc. get the point???

Anyway the Ultima would be the best option in the 'beat the pagani zonda show' in wich the public could send a idea for a car that could beat it. The westfield XTR was choosen by then. (driven by the hamster)

The ultima could get in the show but my opinion is that the kitcar manufactures arent serious enough with their cars
look at that Ultima it has a dashboard/interior wich you cant compare to any normal car untherstand???

if it would be nicer alla ferrari/toyota etc. etc. then i'm sure it would be more car and less road legal race car...

Tks

I think they still meant a standing start by "hot lap" Darren! I think they were reffering to it being a hot lap, as in - the car had been round a few times and got some heat into the tyres and brakes etc.

If they had meant different I would of thought they'd of said a "Rolling Start".

Steve

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WOW - well done Ultima. i know the lap is recorded as a hot lap, but smashing it by almost 5 secs indicates that they may be able to beat the record from a standing start in the 800!!! Now that would be the ultima(te) embarassment to the high cost Supercars. If Top gear did decide to show the car on TV then such a stunt would make a superb finale to the show.

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We need a drooling smilee

Damn i hate politics! Desperately needs an official lap.

One of the clips has been doctored.....

(And yes, I hate people saying stuff like that too).

Download topgearlaprun-3.mpg and then watch it verrrry closely around the 1 minute mark.

You can clearly see the marker boards on the right of the track jumping as the clips are joined.

Still a fabulously quick car though

sharply seen!

the mark is 1:03 where the left corner sign gives the feeling of the car getting kicked in the corner!!

strange, hardly to imagine some one would do that right???

anyway its a bloody fast car..

Tks

they won't have doctored it in a "make it look faster" way Zil, they have too much to lose to bring any of their records into question.

No idea on any of it yet as i haven't spoken to my mate yet.

The Datron data says much more than a video ever could.

I'm sure it's only a matter of time before the car is officially figured by The Stig

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Originally posted by tks


The ultima could get in the show but my opinion is that the kitcar manufactures arent serious enough with their cars
look at that Ultima it has a dashboard/interior wich you cant compare to any normal car untherstand???

if it would be nicer alla ferrari/toyota etc. etc. then i'm sure it would be more car and less road legal race car...

Tks

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Just had a very interesting chat with my mate!!!

There is probably soon to be an interesting meeting of sh1t and fan, can't say much more on that one just yet.

The footage was NOT doctored, that is how it came off their cheap camera, so blame that if it skips!

It was all filmed professionally by "the motorsport company" and the car was fitted with a number of cameras, in keeping with a certain TV programme's usual filming format.

The track was exactly as used by a certain tv programme, and might have been verified by people who may have connections to that programme.

The car was not driven by the car manufacturer, it was driven by someone that I'll leave to your imagination, just think about it, this person may do work other than just for a certain programme.

Think thats about it until something surfaces more publicly, but I'm sure you can read between the lines.

Is there an actual definition of 'production car'? I'm not sure that the Ultima would qualify. I'm sure that some of their output is completed cars but they are basically a kit-car manufacturer.

That could constitute a reason for not featuring it on Top Gear.

To illustrate my point, how about if Gardner Douglas was to put together one of their T70 replicas a with a tuned LS7 engine and enter that as a 'production car'?

Also,I don't see Ferrari, Porsche etc offering their cars in component form.

These are not value judgements, BTW, I would very much like to have an Ultima despite the entry/exit difficulties.

They put the Westfield XTR round, and I think a Marcos which both have very similar manufacturing arrangements IIRC.

Of course going on the program could ruin Ultima. How would they cope with a sudden couple of hundred extra orders?

Westfield is an car manufactuer and kitcar manufactures arent.

Westfield has his own chasis nummer sequence WMI. and thats something wich every kitcar producer should do. and will have in the future.

Sow basicly there is a difference between them.

Tks

its obvious that also i would like to have a ultima en for me the interior isn't such big deal. its just for the average person on this planet liking cars that it makes the difference.

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Is there an actual definition of 'production car'? I'm not sure that the Ultima would qualify. I'm sure that some of their output is completed cars but they are basically a kit-car manufacturer.

That could constitute a reason for not featuring it on Top Gear.

To illustrate my point, how about if Gardner Douglas was to put together one of their T70 replicas a with a tuned LS7 engine and enter that as a 'production car'?

Also,I don't see Ferrari, Porsche etc offering their cars in component form.

These are not value judgements, BTW, I would very much like to have an Ultima despite the entry/exit difficulties.

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They put the Westfield XTR round, and I think a Marcos which both have very similar manufacturing arrangements IIRC.

Of course going on the program could ruin Ultima. How would they cope with a sudden couple of hundred extra orders?

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Originally posted by tks
Westfield is an car manufactuer and kitcar manufactures arent.

Westfield has his own chasis nummer sequence WMI. and thats something wich every kitcar producer should do. and will have in the future.

Sow basicly there is a difference between them.

Tks

its obvious that also i would like to have a ultima en for me the interior isn't such big deal. its just for the average person on this planet liking cars that it makes the difference.

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hmmm, BBC lawyers have been in touch....................watch this space for further news!

cool i have been for a lap in a ultima it was at the scotish kitcar show (edinburgh showground ingliston)about 5 years ago i have it on video it was very very quick and was like superglue on the track . it was yellow i just asked him would he take my round he said no prob it was a great buzz.

Caparo T1 is doing the lap this week, might be worth watching.

that's the one that caught fire isn't it?

The Caparo was quicker than the Ultima, by a significant margin. But would the Ultima pass the sleeping policeman test as it was driven for the record run? It looks a bit low in the pictures.

Zero chance of the Caparo making it over even a fairly mild speed bump. I think it's a fugly looking thing as well, though it's certainly quick.

1.10 by the fireball on this weeks top gear.

Broke down a couple of times while Clarkson was driving.

Don't thing the Ultima runs lower than a Zonda which was allowed to keep its time.

mhhh
look at this!

will be old anyway but its strange that if they do this they don'tinvite themon their track not?

Link

Hmm.. I got the distinct impression that the Ultima Run on that track is Nothing to do with Top Gear.

ie they ran their car, around the same airfield track that Top Gear also use.

I would love to see the Ultima and any other kit type cars put through that track and featured on Top Gear.

To be fair, TG is comparing cars that roll off a factory production line, and are produced in volume not in quantites of 10 per year etc.
OK, you can claim that Ford are making just 80 GT's for the UK market, etc etc but they do make them as a mass produced car in the first place.

IMHO its a shame it wasnt done by TG. They should show more of these types of cars.

Showing just Westfield / Caterhams is not enough.
If you show one kit then the opportunity should be open to all manufacturers .

'nuf said

link

this is the longer version..

Tks

Quite right TKS. My mate was at that show with the car by invite, but Top Gear, in terms of the tv show itself, still show no interest in running the car, in fact rather they now show an interest in trying to sue Ultima for use of the Top Gear copyrights such as "stig"!!!

PS the car is over 100hp MORE powerful now than it was at that show

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The Caparo was quicker than the Ultima, by a significant margin. But would the Ultima pass the sleeping policeman test as it was driven for the record run? It looks a bit low in the pictures.

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