Renault have been found quilty of having McLaren IP but not quilty of using it.

No penalty not even a warning !

This is inspite of having 750+ pages of MacLaren documents on their server plus 18 CAD files and at least 8 out 13 engineers admitted to having access to McLaren data.

"Renault's actions in admitting the offence also counted in their favour. "


errrrr - yeah right. Flavio went running straight to Max didnt he to let them know!!!!

Absolutely stinks!!!

Well, Well, what a surprise!
NOT

Time for Ron to rell them all to run to f**k

Where OH where is the justice in all that??????????????
So if it's not the having others information that the fine/ban Mclaren got then it MUST be the colour issue

Shame the breakaway series never took off. Don't think I'm alone in saying that the 2 men who seem to be in control of Formula 1 seem to be more interested in their own ego's, rather than the sport.

Mosley talks absolute cack ALL the time, and Bernie Ecclestone should have retired about 40 years ago. He actually is the epitome of small mans syndrome.

(Apologies to all short blokes who don't carry a bag of chips on their shoulders).

I just hope somebody builds a car for next year that beats Ferrari so comprehensively, no amount of doctoring the rules will enable them to win either championship.

Better still, lets get Kimi or Massa in the Liana on a greasy wet track and really see who the best driver is.

Right, better go and hide under my bed in case the mafia come round.

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Originally posted by billynomates
Better still, lets get Kimi or Massa in the Liana on a greasy wet track and really see who the best driver is.

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hi,

first off I am not defending the desision.

having said that mclaren is origonaly get off with no punishment. it was only when it was showen that mclaren where using the data that the punisment was given.

having said all that it does smell

blake

Maybee its because they didn't lie about being cheats!

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Originally posted by locogeoff
Maybee its because they didn't lie about being cheats!

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talking about fishy....

Floppy discs in the high tech world of F1, if he was trying to be discrete why didn'y he dump the drawings on to punch cards

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Originally posted by locogeoff
Maybee its because they didn't lie about being cheats!

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending either the FIA or Renault, but as I've said before on another thread that I believe the severity of the punishment given to McLaren was due to the fact that they categorically stated that no use was made of the information they received, whereas in fact there had been use made of the info, albeit as British Trident states by small numbers of staff, and as I've discussed on another thread that the only advantage they may have obtained was knowledge of the Ferrari adaptive braking system IIRC allowing faster in house development.

I make the direct comparison between being caught speeding 3 points £60 fine or whatever and being caught with anti photograph number plates in which case you get the boot firmly planted up the bahooky regardless of whether you were speding or not.

The situation Renault have been facing is similar to the original case where McLaren where found guilty of being in posession of Ferrari IP but didn't get penalised.

All in all I wish this whole debacle could be finished and things could start clean sheet next year, I do hope that no Ferrari IP is found on the McLaren because I'm begining to get tired of the McLaren faeces doesn't smell attitude.

F1 is a multi million dollar business driven by lawers, if Mclarens lawers could see a chink in the FIAs decision they would have them in front of a business court quicker than you can say Mosely is the son of a facist and Briatore is a fat ugly playboy

Shocking decision, if not entirely surprising, Max and the FIA have obviously decided that they have the power to do whatever they want, whenever they want, to whomever they want (so long as the "who" is McLaren of course)

Prediction time:
The FIA find McLaren guilty of using Ferrari intelectual property on their 2008 car, specifically, McLarens new car has 4 wheels, exactly the same amount as Ferrari's design drawings had last year, obviously directly copied from the information McLaren illegally recieved from Mr Stepney.
As a result of this discovery McLaren are thrown out of the 2008 championship and fined 1 billion dollars for bringing the sport into disrepute!

Cheers
Alex

I would think when the FIA transcript comes out later today, that most of it will centre around McLaren getting the fuel window info etc, which is a competitive advantage, of knowing the oppositions game plan before you get to the game...plus the other odd thing after reading the details on Ferraris floor – it had been in use for 4 years, and there were 5 teams in total who were hit by the rule clarification – including McLaren so I think there must be more to that as well. Just we don’t get to know about it all…

[Edited on 7/12/07 by u401768]

Im sure there is more than meets the eye to both these cases, but the FIA must give a very good brieff on exactly why the punishment isnt similar for both teams.

If it doesnt it has just cost itself what little credability it has to many casual fans.

its looks to revolve around 'live data' - but as before the FIA slap them if anything else comes up:-

8.8. The McLaren confidential information brought to Renault was in the context of an F1 engineer changing teams. It was not ‘live’ information in the sense that there is no evidence of a flow of current information between competing teams. After leaving McLaren, Mackereth had no further access to current or updated McLaren information. Nor is there any evidence that Renault encouraged Mackereth in any way to bring the confidential information from McLaren.