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speedyxjs - 13/12/07 at 08:35 PM

Quite a long read but worth it

This one is pretty slick since they provide Y O U with all the information, except the one piece they want.
Note, the callers do not ask for your card number; they already have it. This information is worth reading. By understanding how the VISA & MasterCard Telephone Credit Card Scam works, you'll be better prepared to protect yourself.

One of our employees was called on Wednesday from "VISA", and I was called on Thursday from "MasterCard".

The scam works like this: Person calling says, "This is (name), and I'm calling from the Security and Fraud Department at VISA. My badge number is 12460. Your card has been flagged for an unusual purchase pattern, and I'm calling to verify. This would be on your VISA card which was issued by (name of bank) did you purchase an Anti-Telemarketing Device for £497.99 from a Marketing company based in London?" When you say "No", the caller continues with, "Then we will be issuing a credit to your account. This is a company we have been watching and the charges range from £297 to £497, just under the £500 purchase pattern that flags most cards. Before your next statement, the credit will be sent to (gives you your address), is that correct?"

You say "yes". The caller continues - "I will be starting a fraud investigation. If you have any questions, you should call the 0800 number listed on the back of your card (0800-VISA) and ask for Security.

You will need to refer to this Control Number. The caller then gives you a 6 digit number. "Do you need me to read it again?"

Here's the IMPORTANT part on how the scam works the caller then says, "I need to verify you are in possession of your card." He'll ask you to "turn your card over and look for some numbers." There are 7 numbers; the first 4 are part of your card number, the next 3 are the security numbers that verify you are the possessor of the card. These are the numbers you sometimes use to make Internet purchases to prove you have the card. The caller will ask you to read the 3 numbers to him. After you tell the caller the 3 numbers, he'll say, "That is correct, I just needed to verify that the card has not been lost or stolen, and that you still have your card. Do you have any other questions?" After you say, "No," the caller then thanks you and states, "Don't hesitate to call back if you do", and hangs up.

You actually say very little, and they never ask for or tell you the Card number. But after we were called on Wednesday, we called back within 20 minutes to ask a question. Are we glad we did! The REAL VISA Security Department told us it was a scam and in the last 15 minutes a new purchase of £497.99 was charged to our card.

Long story - short - we made a real fraud report and closed the VISA account. VISA is reissuing us a new number. What the scammers want is the 3-digit PIN number on the back of the card. Don't give it to them. Instead, tell them you'll call VISA or MasterCard directly for verification of their conversation. The real VISA told us that they will never ask for anything on the card as they already know the information since they issued the card! If you give the scammers your 3 Digit PIN Number, you think you're receiving a credit. However, by the time you get your statement you'll see charges for purchases you didn't make, and by then it's almost too late and/or more difficult to actually file a fraud report.

What makes this more remarkable is that on Thursday, I got a call from a "Jason Richardson of MasterCard" with a word-for-word repeat of the VISA scam. This time I didn't let him finish. I hung up! We filed a police report, as instructed by VISA. The police said they are taking several of these reports daily! They also urged us to tell everybody we know that this scam is happening.


JoelP - 13/12/07 at 09:15 PM

hang 'em


SALAD - 13/12/07 at 09:24 PM

Good to know. There's so many scams these days...trust no one! There was an email at work today reiterating about ATM scams....basically your card would be retained, a 'good samaritan' would help you retreive it by pressing enter and cancel whilst you type your PIN. It doesnt work, you walk off and they have your card and PIN.

(P.S. I used to have a 'Pooping Reindeer' like your avatar a few Christmas' ago, well good!)


BenB - 13/12/07 at 09:37 PM

This one's being going round for ages!!! It's urban myth bordering on plausible.
It could happen but they'd have to know so much information about you already there are easier ways of screwing money of you....


Davey D - 13/12/07 at 09:42 PM

lol... weve just had this one sent to us today via email... it really annoys us in the IT dept when people just post this kind of stuff to everyone

if you paste the first line of it into google, you can see you how many references to it there are.. there are even versions in the US where they have changed it to $ instead of £, and changed the number to 0800-visa from the US 1800-visa... in this country we dont even use numbers that short


Peteff - 13/12/07 at 11:15 PM

If they already have your card number they only need the 3 digit number from the back of your card to use it to make purchases. You should not give this number to anyone unless you are making a purchase.


Johnmor - 14/12/07 at 12:17 AM

That whole staement was played on radio 4 on Wednesday afternoon as part of a programme on scaming.

Infact it was almost word perfect, I wonder if the scammers listened to the radio and decided to try it out for them selves, If so its dam silly of radio 4.

Becase when I heard the programme I thought "gee i might have fallen for that"

It was very convincing staement and i have been contacted before when my card was used frauduently and it is very close to whet they ask you, accept they dont ask for any numbers.

keep on your toes!!


02GF74 - 14/12/07 at 08:36 AM

why spoil their fun?


just say 752.

unless these are the digits on your card then say 306

unless these are the digits on your card then say 815

unless .....

think you get the picture.


MikeRJ - 14/12/07 at 10:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
If they already have your card number they only need the 3 digit number from the back of your card to use it to make purchases. You should not give this number to anyone unless you are making a purchase.


You also need (depending on the card)
* Start Date
* Expiry Date
* Issue

AFAIK the credit card companies don't ask you for the 3 digit security code if they phone you, usually it's stuff like mothers maiden name etc.

It's a good idea to set up password security for on-line purchases if your card provider offers this.