I just wondered if anyone has considered modifying an engine to run on water. Plans are available I know. I thought I might buy an old engine and
experiment.
John
I think this summer a few people experimented with water-based engines....
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Originally posted by John Bonnett
I just wondered if anyone has considered modifying an engine to run on water. Plans are available I know. I thought I might buy an old engine and experiment.
John
i just googled this gem 
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We have developed devices that use a little electricity out of your car's battery, to separate water into a gas called HHO (2 Hydrogen + 1 Oxygen). HHO, also called Brown's Gas or Hydroxy, burns beautifully and provides TONS of energy - while the end product is just WATER! Mobile Magazine says HHO provides the atomic power of Hydrogen, while maintaining the chemical stability of water.
It's amazing technology! You can make a fuel cell which uses the electricity in the car battery to electrolyse pure water into hydrogen and
oxygen, then burn the hydrogen and oxygen to power the car engine and the engine powers the alternator which produces more energy for
electrolysis....
And the amazing thing is that because all this works at greater than 100% efficiency, it's not just a rather complicated way of running a fuel
powered car from electricity... In fact, at some points in the process it creates energy out of nowhere!! Amazing 
You extract the hydrogen from the water to run the engine on!
Yes ive been toying with the idea myself on my pinto engine but im having trouble with the wiring and stuff
no comment
any one got any links for this.
adam
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Originally posted by oadamo
any one got any links for this.
adam
jeez...
running a car on water is just a blag, propigated partly by people's desire to avoid high fuel costs, a bit by the 'the oil companies want
to stamp it out' and a bit by pipe dreams really.
The idea that you have a tank full of water, modify it and then burn it to get energy out of it is, simply, NONSENSE. Its not possible, and there are
an awful lot of websites peddling pseudoscience in the hope of getting traffic and hence advertising revenue.
The first site i read spoke of electrolytically turning water into HHO gas or browns gas. This is a simple mix of H and O, as you would expect if you
split water. Burning it will result in an engery out put slightly less than what you put in. Calling it Browns gas is simply a way of adding
credibility, since one of the first google links about it is valid - but in a different context.
Again, PURE NONSENSE!
You cant get more energy back from water than was used to seperate it in the first place. More energy is used in electrolysis of water than in the
product (hydrogen and oxygen).
Meaning you might aswell run the car on the battery in the first place, rather than wasting energy converting the energy into another form.
ah well - thats the end of the joke then i guess!! Cant see who would have seriously fallen for it now!!!
I had a transit that was partly running on water.......... but then I put a new head gasket on.
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Originally posted by kipper
I had a transit that was partly running on water.......... but then I put a new head gasket on.
well our everso eco friendly mayor,red ken 
has ordered some buses that run on water.
we will wait and see
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Originally posted by sprouts-car
You cant get more energy back from water than was used to seperate it in the first place. More energy is used in electrolysis of water than in the product (hydrogen and oxygen).
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Originally posted by theconrodkid
well our everso eco friendly mayor,red ken
we will wait and see
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Originally posted by David Jenkins
I believe that this 'run on water' technology relies on electrolysis, but using square-wave pulse input. It's supposed to give more hydrogen and oxygen output than you'd get with straight DC, with far less energy input.
I have no idea whether it's true or false, so don't flame me!
Eat plenty of sprouts and run on methane!!!
I was reading about this a while back - you fill a plastic container with water, add a small amount of electrolyte (something peroxide I think) and
apply a current across a pair of submerged contacts. You vary the current to control the Hydrogen / Oxygen generation.
There are a few manufacturers producing kits in the US - retro fitting them to cars. Amazing claims (as usual) but no conclusive results.
Personally I can't see how useful volumes of gas can be generated without installing industrial sized alternators & tanks of water.
I've seen a welding torch driven by an electrolysis plant that provided hydrogen & oxygen. Supposedly safe, although I have seen warnings
about making your own plant - the correct 2:1 ratio of hydrogen to oxygen is pretty explosive!
Actually... theatres used to have spotlights powered by "lime light" which was produced when a chunk of lime is heated by a oxygen +
hydrogen blowlamp.
Most early theatres had electrolysis chambers in them....
... and most of them burnt down.....
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Originally posted by David Jenkins
I've seen a welding torch driven by an electrolysis plant that provided hydrogen & oxygen. Supposedly safe, although I have seen warnings about making your own plant - the correct 2:1 ratio of hydrogen to oxygen is pretty explosive!
So no break in the first law.
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Originally posted by RazMan
I was reading about this a while back - you fill a plastic container with water, add a small amount of electrolyte (something peroxide I think) and apply a current across a pair of submerged contacts. You vary the current to control the Hydrogen / Oxygen generation.
There are a few manufacturers producing kits in the US - retro fitting them to cars. Amazing claims (as usual) but no conclusive results.
Personally I can't see how useful volumes of gas can be generated without installing industrial sized alternators & tanks of water.
Accodring to the BBC Focus magazine, steam is about to make big comeback!
BR may be about to have it's first steam train and there will be a race in the states in August on (iirc) Bonneville for steam powered cars.
See
http://www.focusmag.co.uk/currentIssue.asp
ATB
Simon
When I saw running on water as the title all I thought of was this. I'll get me coat.
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Originally posted by JoelP
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Originally posted by David Jenkins
I believe that this 'run on water' technology relies on electrolysis, but using square-wave pulse input. It's supposed to give more hydrogen and oxygen output than you'd get with straight DC, with far less energy input.
I have no idea whether it's true or false, so don't flame me!
its entirely likely that they are fuel cell buses with gas tanks on board, with the water being seperated at the local powerstation. There is some sense to this provided the efficiencies are quite high - afterall, i believe IC engines are only 14% efficient anyway. It means the 'displaced emissions' can be sent through a massive industrial cleaner/filter/catalyst at the powerstation, which may well be better than a car's normal catalytic converter.
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Originally posted by Peteff
When I saw running on water as the title all I thought of was this. I'll get me coat.
If you ilke the water power idea, have got some spare time and are not easily frustrated, then try reading through some of the stuff on
http://www.overunity.com/
These guys believe with almost fanatical sincerity that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is just an excuse dreamt up by people without the imagination to
be able to generate energy from nothing.
Enjoy!
Many, many (and I mean lots) years ago I sure I saw something on Tomorrows World which had water in a spinning cylinder (think washing machine drum)
that was producing steam.
As it was so long ago, I'm very fuzzy on the details, but I think the theory went along the lines that if was was agititated enough it would
start to agitate itself, sort of setting of a reaction and producing steam.
At least that's what I remember.
ATB
Simon
I was in Barcelona during the summer and was fascinated by the silent hydrogen powered buses they use.
It is part of a trial going on in European cities. Time we had it here.
http://www.global-hydrogen-bus-platform.com/
Merry Christmas,
Steve
Personally I'm going to use an electric motor to power the car, attach a dynamo and pipe the elastic-trickery it produces back into the motor. It'll never need fuel or a battery - just give it a shove and it'll never stop. Perpetual motion - it's the way forward. Not sure why nobody's ever tried it. I bet its the oil companies keeping it under wraps so everyone keeps buying unleaded.
I remember doing the electrolysis experiment when I was at school the one thing you needed was pure water, you don't get much of that out of the
taps