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speedyxjs - 22/3/08 at 04:46 PM

Carrying on from previous thread, these people have got the right idea

[Edited on 22-3-08 by speedyxjs]


jlparsons - 22/3/08 at 04:58 PM

Ok this makes for great viewing, but isn't it all hot air? Don't we need a CEC v BEC race-off to finish the question once and for all...?

After all, these cars are about going fast and having a laugh. What else could you judge it on? Practicallity? No chance, it's a 7. Reliability? No chance, it's a 7. Pulling potential? No chance, it's a seven...

So how about it? Ten BECs, ten CECs. One day, one track, loosers get the beer in.


speedyxjs - 22/3/08 at 05:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jlparsons
Ok this makes for great viewing, but isn't it all hot air? Don't we need a CEC v BEC race-off to finish the question once and for all...?



Its all hot air and im bored
I agree we need a race off but just wait till iv finished building


Paul TigerB6 - 22/3/08 at 05:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs
Its all hot air and im bored
I agree we need a race off but just wait till iv finished building


..........and then rebuilding if he tries to keep up with the BECs around the corners with all that weight wanting to go straight on!!!

[Edited on 22/3/08 by Paul TigerB6]


Benzine - 22/3/08 at 05:08 PM

CEC 4 lyfe! I'd be up for a race/drag/whatever. I'll be pitching my tent in the straight six camp with speedyxjs ^__^


zilspeed - 22/3/08 at 05:16 PM

This argument is fought out in real life every weekend at a hillclimb or sprint track somewhere.

Those of us who go regularly know that there is more than one possible outcome.


Jon Ison - 22/3/08 at 05:21 PM

I'm afraid on a race track and on a £ for £ spent ratio there would in 90% + cases be only one outcome.

Now if your talking ultimate top speed then the outcome would most probably be the other way around.

Just check out the 750mc lap times for RGB's v's kits.


Kev99 - 22/3/08 at 05:24 PM

Just to let you all know.
We should all find out that becs are faster lol


Link

if it ever gos ahead


David Jenkins - 22/3/08 at 05:25 PM

It needs a mixed course - a hill-climb, a track event, a sprint - with 100 miles of ordinary roads between each venue!

let's see who's bright and shiny after 100 miles through the finest roads that the Midlands can provide!


Jon Ison - 22/3/08 at 05:30 PM

Like this you mean.........




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Jon Ison - 22/3/08 at 05:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
It needs a mixed course - a hill-climb, a track event, a sprint - with 100 miles of ordinary roads between each venue!

let's see who's bright and shiny after 100 miles through the finest roads that the Midlands can provide!



Dave, on the road due to speed limits there would be nothing to choose, lets face it non of them are slouches but I just don't buy into this especially if you are not going to go into it £ for £ spent tuning a stock engine, otherwise there will always be an exception to the rule either way.

As for the 100 road miles how far is it to Le Mans from here ?

A std CEC will not overcome a std BEC until speeds in excess of 3 figures are reached, the speed limit on the road is 70mph and the CEC will have to be something other than a pinto x flow or the likes, maybe a VX red top would do it ?

A std CEC will not overcome a std BEC on most UK race circuits, the corners get in the way.

There will always I am happy to concede be the exception to the above but in 90% of cases that will be the outcome I'm afraid.


Benzine - 22/3/08 at 05:57 PM

Bike engines are for babies. Why else would they need cradles?

CEC is manly like pounding on drums, hitting things with hammers, being sweaty and having mud/oil etc on face and clothes.


Jon Ison - 22/3/08 at 05:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
Bike engines are for babies. Why else would they need cradles?

CEC is manly like pounding on drums, hitting things with hammers, being sweaty and having mud/oil etc on face and clothes.


Trying to cover up some gay tendencies you may have ?


NeilP - 22/3/08 at 06:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
CEC is manly like pounding on drums, hitting things with hammers, being sweaty and having mud/oil etc on face and clothes.


Oh dear god - this is all going to get very funny

For the avoidance of doubt my car makes me smile even though it's not the faster / lightest / cheapest / etc. therefore it's by far the best in my eyes - BEC or CEC if your's does that for you too then I guess your car is the best as well.

Still doesn't stop the very amusing debates on here I hope so for the avoidance of further doubt - I won't be swapping out my 6cyl anchor for anything made by clairol anytime soon!!!


jlparsons - 22/3/08 at 06:47 PM

quote:
pounding on drums, hitting things with hammers, being sweaty and having mud/oil etc on face and clothes.


you know it's fun to stay at the ymca... fun to stay at the ymca....

I know exactly what you mean though. I can see the benefits of CEC and BEC, but as i'm going to do this only once... Sub 4secs to 60, sequential gearbox and low weight for about £12k all in... I'll take that.


joneh - 22/3/08 at 07:15 PM

I think the only fair way to settle this with no bias at all is....




a reversing competition!


chrisg - 22/3/08 at 07:25 PM

I like an nice car that I can drive without industrial ear defenders or RSI from changing gear 12 times per roundabout.

And I can reverse into a parking space.

Perhaps it's my age.

Cheers

Chris in a tin hat....


Simon - 22/3/08 at 07:34 PM

I'm not going to post; I'm not going to post; I'm not going to post; I'm going to post

At the end of the day, who gives a toss.

I'm seriously toying with building a bec with removeable Indespension units at centre point and tow ball at the front so I can tow with Deimos to trackdays!

Deimos should have all the performace I want for the road - without needing to actually bother changing gear. Whereas a bec might get me a bit more involved.

Seen bec at Brighton Speed Trials and they're certainly quick, but they don't sound a patch on a V8

Enjoy the argument peeps - I'm off out to the best place for steaks on the planet. And no, I'm not telling you where it is!!!

ATB

Simon


JoelP - 22/3/08 at 07:40 PM

how many of you have driven both on circuits and roads?!

I know both feel very fast after a break from kits. I know both can go far too fast for the road. I know both can be unreliable.

I also know one was significantly faster, but the other was much easier to drive.

You are never going to be the fastest at a trackday, theres always some goober with a big turbo/wallet.

As an aside, the main drawback with BECs is that you cant really let your mates drive them. It would be like letting them fly a helicopter when they have only flown fixed wings previously.

I also know whats half built in the garage, with a 60kgs engine.


David Jenkins - 22/3/08 at 08:02 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
It needs a mixed course - a hill-climb, a track event, a sprint - with 100 miles of ordinary roads between each venue!

let's see who's bright and shiny after 100 miles through the finest roads that the Midlands can provide!



Dave, on the road due to speed limits there would be nothing to choose, lets face it non of them are slouches but I just don't buy into this especially if you are not going to go into it £ for £ spent tuning a stock engine, otherwise there will always be an exception to the rule either way.



As you may have guessed, I was only teasing....

In an ideal world, I would have 1 BEC and 1 CEC lined up for use according to conditions and my current mood. One wild and reckless, the other cool, calm and collected, depending on my whim at the time. And I'm not saying which is which!


speedyxjs - 22/3/08 at 08:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Simon
At the end of the day, who gives a toss.



You may not give a toss but what would this site be without a good bec/cec battle every now and again?
I hope chris puts a forum for this type of battle on the new site


skodaman - 23/3/08 at 02:01 AM

I'm sure most people on here would rather have a cec and a bec but mo
st of us only have the space or money to have one so have to choose one or the other. Personally I'd love to have a bec but cos of my house/drive layout it would be too much hassle without a reverse gear. Yeh generally the becs are faster and 6 speed paddle gears would but a hoot but practicalities dictate that for now I've got to have a cec. If ur into track days mainly yeh go for bec. I don't see why u all have to choose one side or the other and argue.
P.S. where does the kickstart in a bec go?


Richard Quinn - 23/3/08 at 06:23 AM

In the words of Harry Hill, there's only one way to find out... FFFIIIIGGGGHHHT!!


zetec - 23/3/08 at 07:46 AM

The good news for me (crap racing driver) is that they are a lot easier to drive so less chance of being in the wrong gear at the wrong time!