Not having a good time just lately.......
Mrs got duped via paypal for a non existent Wii, see earlier posts.
Several other people we have been in contact with been had over same........
Stopped bank payments to paypal, emptied paypal account, filed dispute etc 3 days later Mrs sells summat, paypal send money that went into her account
straight out to Mr fraudster, 3 days after filing dispute ???
We after some digging find the guys address, mmmm do I go knock on his door, no I will inform police, are they interested are they heck ??? They tell
us our dispute is with paypal which it is but there not interested in been handed on a plate someone committing online fraud, I ask what If I go to
see the guy ? "Don't do that" yup they would be interested then wouldn't they.
Sorry if its mumbled and not clear, just trying to give a potted history and vent some spleen somewhere ?
i'd knock on his door, but when i say knock i mean put through
I've got an old gas bottle here we can weld some handles to Jon, should get a really loud knock with that.
make the punishment fit the crime. He didn't send you a wii so wee through his letterbox
Why not use the aforementioned gas bottle and store up a weeks supply of Wii and put that through the letter box.
what area of the uk are we talking here
Fake police ID, go round his house with a mate as CID or fraud squad. Put the shits up him as you will be able to quote all about the fraudulent
activety. Then cuff him (sure you can buy these off ebay, not the fluffy ones though) and then while he's cuffed, search his house, clear him
out, nick his credit cards, car keys etc etc.
That way you get in his house. I'm sure if you turned up at his house asking for a wii he will deny everything. Turn up as a copper and
it'll be a different story. Just don't get caught 
wait for him to go out and post 20 mice through the letter box
Blood and minced offal works sooooo much better than wee.
Idealy wait until next summer when it's hot and he is on holiday.
I cannot begin to describe what it will be like when he comes home.
Possibly Hellraiser meets Elm Street. 
Aren't paypal great? You sell something, buyer claims it didn't arrive, paypal keeps your money. You buy something, it actually doesn't
turn up, paypal keeps your money. I detect a trend here... 
why do the police have no interest?
Go back to them (via the front desk, not phone) and report it again. When they say they're not interested ask them why, ask for name, number etc.
When they ask why say you just want to get the correct details, you appreciate its not his decision and you appreciate you're jsut trying to do
your job. You then ask to speak to his boss so he can deal with this and the bloke your speaking to can get on with his job.
You pay council tax and a proportion is for policing. You've had a crime committed against you and the police aren't interested.
Do the same again with his supervisor but make sure you stay VERY calm during this. Then ask to speak to his supervisor until someone agrees to
investigate the crime. Explain in detail everything you've just said. Stay VERY CALM.
(tell me when you spot a trend).
Ask to speak to his boss. Etc.
Each time say that you believe a crime has been committed and ask why they won't prosecute. Ask them if a crime hasn't been committed is it
OK for you to do the same then. If no crime it must be OK and you've got their name and number stating its ok - if you fancy a giggle ask them to
sign a bit of paper saying its ok - 99% of people will run a mile from this. Then state you'll send it in officially to his boss then for him to
sign, who is it? (spot a trend?) If they say its not ok then ask what crime has been committed and then why aren't they going after this
person?
Remember you must always be incredibly calm, polite, just ask reasonable questions and always give someone the chance to pass it onto his boss.
The principle is to get everyone's details down so you can quote and every time someone says "sorry mate can't do it, not policy
etc" you escalate up the command chain till you get to a decision maker or someone who's not prepared to tell you who his boss is.
You then make an official complaint listing all the people who've not helped. At no point do you lose your temper, get mad, raise your voice etc.
If you do you're a trouble maker and will be treated accordingly, just keep calm and reasonable.
By doing this i didn't get the head of Geneva airport to stick to my rights under a European treaty, but I did end up with him personally coming
to shake my hand and make sure i got on the plane and out of his airport (it wasn't his fault, he was under orders from the uk & would have
been out of pocket if he'd consented to my rightful demands). IF i could have been bothered on getting back to the UK i had all the evidence
required to kick some ass.
I still think going round his house and kicking the poo out of him gets results
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Originally posted by steve m
I still think going round his house and kicking the poo out of him gets results
Probably not what you want to hear Jon, but from what you've posted (and despite popular opinion), the Police are correct to regard it as a civil
matter at this stage and advise you to continue addressing it with ebay / paypal.
As for MikeR's suggestion - absolutely yes in the right circumstances. In these particular circumstances... you'll be told by the desk
officer that it's a civil matter (as you've already experienced) and if you push to speak to a supervisor, then you just might get to speak
to his / her Sergeant (unlikely though). After that, you'll be 'asked' to leave the station!
Now... with my (retired) legal hat firmly off - go round to his house and kick that poo out of him!
*Disclaimer*
I am joking about the poo bit!
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Originally posted by iank
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
I still think going round his house and kicking the poo out of him gets results
Yeah, you'll probably go to prison - he has your name and address as well remember.
Funny how many posts are suggesting that going round to his house and "giving him a good going over" is the best way forward.
Assuming that one is going to win a physical confrontation is a risky strategy. People who do criminal stuff are not likely to be an easy target,
especially on their home ground.
The thing to do here is to decide whether there is any real chance of getting the lost money back. If there is then great, if there isn't then
there are plenty of things that can be done remotely to get the lost money's worth of revenge.
PS, would I use Paypal for anything other than very small amounts of money, would I fcuk.
John
[Edited on 9/9/08 by mr henderson]
well if it was me i would go round to there persons house and take goods to the value of
yes you may get arrested but atleast the police would be interested then.
There is always super glue works a treat in door locks.
Small Claims Court?
I'm slightly confused by this.
You purchased a Wii on eBay.
You paid the guy via paypal.
You then filed an "item not received" or similar claim on paypal.
You emptied you paypal and removed all bank/card links.
Paypal are still processing your claim and haven't yet refunded the money.
Funds go into your account again (from a sale) and paypal then decide to pay somebody from your account, who has already been paid once.
I'm clearly missing something here as that simply can't happen.
Will try to explain, when the item was purchased there was 20 odd quid in payal account so they took that and £173 from bank, ok so far ?
Mrs went to bank 1st thing Monday, the money had not gone out so she put a stop on all paypal DD's, still here ?
What surprised me it was tnot until today paypal actually tried to get the money out the bank, the £173, they got knocked back, they tried back up
card, Mrs had stopped that to, still here ?
Unfortunately she received a payment today to via paypal, this is the money they took,
I see where you are coming from, I too thought the money had already gone from the bank but they did not actually ask the bank for it till today, when
Mrs went in bank Monday to find nothing had gone (the £173) we thought we was only £27 down, bit better than £200.
Any of that make any sense ?
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Originally posted by Jon Ison
Any of that make any sense ?
This may or may not explain better, like I said I to was surprised that they did not go to the bank till today for the money even though they asked
for it on the 30th ?
Maybe we got to the bank in time to stop it clearing ?
30 Aug. 2008 Payment XXXXXXX XXXXXX Completed Details -£200.00 GBP
Related Transactions
Date Type Status Details Amount
30 Aug. 2008 Add Funds from a Bank Account Failed Details £173.25 GBP
9 Sep. 2008 Charge from Credit Card Refused Details £173.25 GBP
9 Sep. 2008 Failed Transfer Completed ... -£173.25 GBP
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Looks like you have to stick in there with Paypal until they get around to taking (hopefully) back off him when they sort the dispute. Sounds pretty
normal for them to take the money from wherever - after all the conman will have received payment and Paypal arent going to put themselves out of
pocket.
Hopefully what they'll do is sort the dispute and return your money, and put this other guy's account into a negative balance if the cash
isnt there (or take a DD off him if they can)
sorry, can you run this past me again, you lost me after "paypal" 
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Originally posted by 02GF74
sorry, can you run this past me again, you lost me after "paypal"
AS usual the police are elseware and unintrested fighting real crime on our main roads dreaming up more ways to book you and take your money thats wot its all about