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My new little runaround won't start :(
eznfrank - 10/9/08 at 09:14 PM

You may recall I posted last week about a timing belt failure on my tintop Alfa 147. Well becasue it was going to be £1900 from the main stealer and even local bods wanting over £1500 I decided to do it myself.....anyway, in the mean time I bought a little Fiat Cinquecento from the auction to run around in. Well tonight it won't start and has been abandoned in the work carpark.

I'm after suggestions as to what to do/look for? Mainly because I'm going to have to try sort it out in a limited time frame tomorrow lunch time......and in my suit

Anyway, there appears to be fuel getting in as it flooded after the 2nd attempt so I took the air box apart to help the vapours out a bit, and it was trying to start and the battery is new and was also recently charged. I did manage to bump start it and held the revs for a couple of minutes but it just didn't want to hold at idle??

I reckon it's probably just the spark so was going to take a bit of sandpaper to run through the contacts, and maybe a few basic tools to see what I can do, but if anyone has any ideas that would save me masses of time that would be greatly apreciated???


novacaine - 10/9/08 at 09:17 PM

put a V8 in it


Macbeast - 10/9/08 at 09:23 PM

Could be the timing belt ?


eznfrank - 10/9/08 at 09:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by novacaine
put a V8 in it


In my lunch hour?!?!.....and in my suit?!?!

Any serious suggestions?


MikeR - 10/9/08 at 09:40 PM

call the AA, they get high percent of cars going again, if not they'll get it home so you can work on it properly.

otherwise, buy another small car


Simon - 10/9/08 at 09:42 PM

^^ What he said. 40 Quid would be well spent.

ATB

Simon


eznfrank - 10/9/08 at 09:47 PM

Yeah I actually have cover but couldn't really be bothered hanging round for them again (2nd week running!!) tonight.

The only problem is that the car is 3 stories underground??


Hellfire - 10/9/08 at 10:39 PM

After problems experienced with one Italian car - he goes and buys another... are you totally bonkers??

Serves you right... get a proper car!

Sorry I cant help you...

Steve


whitestu - 11/9/08 at 07:55 AM

quote:

After problems experienced with one Italian car - he goes and buys another... are you totally bonkers??



Of course he is, but the important thing is he's bonkers with style!

I'm with Clarkson on this one - you can't be a real petrolhead unless you've owned Alfa's


Stu


eznfrank - 11/9/08 at 08:04 AM

quote:
Originally posted by whitestu
quote:

After problems experienced with one Italian car - he goes and buys another... are you totally bonkers??



Of course he is, but the important thing is he's bonkers with style!

I'm with Clarkson on this one - you can't be a real petrolhead unless you've owned Alfa's


Stu


Yeah 2 Alfa's, a Fiat, an Italian wife and now the Indy to add to my woes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - glutton for punishment!!!

Breakdown people on the way now so will let them sort it, it'll be electrics I guarantee it!

[Edited on 11/9/08 by eznfrank]


ashg - 11/9/08 at 08:11 AM

cinqs have a habbit of the crank position sensors going intermitant meaning sometimes they start sometimes they dont. take the air box off and when turning it over if it backfires out the injection manifold that will be your problem.

done lots of work on cinqs and italian metal in general lol.


eznfrank - 11/9/08 at 08:15 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ashg
cinqs have a habbit of the crank position sensors going intermitant meaning sometimes they start sometimes they dont. take the air box off and when turning it over if it backfires out the injection manifold that will be your problem.

done lots of work on cinqs and italian metal in general lol.


That seems to make sense. I took the plugs out this morning and gave them a bit of a clean with no real difference noticed and then took the top off the airbox and it did exactly that. Is it a big problem to sort?


grazzledazzle - 11/9/08 at 09:10 AM

And don't forgot, you will need to

Fix It Again Tomorrow

Hope that's been of use.

[Edited on 11/9/08 by grazzledazzle]


ashg - 11/9/08 at 12:50 PM

you just need a new crank position sensor. quite easy to access can be purchased from the likes of partco etc.

you virtually have to destroy the old one to get it out then sand the hole with a bit of emry cloth to clean it up then put a little bit of copper grease (if you have some) on the new one to fit it then put the little 10mm bolt back and connect the plug.


eznfrank - 11/9/08 at 12:56 PM

Cheers mate, I've actually ordered one now, £22.


02GF74 - 11/9/08 at 01:13 PM

the crank sensor on my volvo died recently - AA man disconected battery so that the sensor was not powered so any magnetic bits would drop off.

sounds like a good theory but did not work.

maybe worth a try although don't hold your breath.


Simon - 11/9/08 at 07:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by whitestu

Of course he is, but the important thing is he's bonkers with style!

I'm with Clarkson on this one - you can't be a real petrolhead unless you've owned Alfa's

Stu


Cool, I'm a proper petrolhead.

Bought a Sud for fifty quid for resto, bit of further investigation revealed most of bulkhead was missing so scrapped it.

Did at least 5 miles in it.

Still, at least I've owned an Alfa

ATB

Simon


eznfrank - 11/9/08 at 07:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Simon
quote:
Originally posted by whitestu

Of course he is, but the important thing is he's bonkers with style!

I'm with Clarkson on this one - you can't be a real petrolhead unless you've owned Alfa's

Stu


Cool, I'm a proper petrolhead.

Bought a Sud for fifty quid for resto, bit of further investigation revealed most of bulkhead was missing so scrapped it.

Did at least 5 miles in it.

Still, at least I've owned an Alfa

ATB

Simon


I'm not sure if it has to be Alfa"s" plural to be a true petrol head? I love pretty much all of them for looks and noise etc but they are a bit of a pain in the sh1tbox!!!


eznfrank - 12/9/08 at 07:37 PM

Huge thanks to ashg for a spot on diagnosis, problem now solved and back on the road. Not sure the recovery company would be so pleased if they found out a £20 part and 10 mins labour on a £350 car led to a bill for hundreds for specialist recovery to drag it out of the underground carpark!

The missus is over the moon her little cinq is back on the road though, reckon i might be on for a bit tonight

[Edited on 12/9/08 by eznfrank]


t.j. - 13/9/08 at 05:39 AM

quote:
Originally posted by eznfrank
Huge thanks to ashg for a spot on diagnosis, problem now solved and back on the road. Not sure the recovery company would be so pleased if they found out a £20 part and 10 mins labour on a £350 car led to a bill for hundreds for specialist recovery to drag it out of the underground carpark!

The missus is over the moon her little cinq is back on the road though, reckon i might be on for a bit tonight

[Edited on 12/9/08 by eznfrank]


hmmmm, my missus need more to make her happy


andrew.carwithen - 13/9/08 at 07:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by eznfrank
quote:
Originally posted by whitestu
quote:

After problems experienced with one Italian car - he goes and buys another... are you totally bonkers??



Of course he is, but the important thing is he's bonkers with style!

I'm with Clarkson on this one - you can't be a real petrolhead unless you've owned Alfa's


Stu


Yeah 2 Alfa's, a Fiat, an Italian wife and now the Indy to add to my woes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - glutton for punishment!!!

Breakdown people on the way now so will let them sort it, it'll be electrics I guarantee it!

[Edited on 11/9/08 by eznfrank]


I'm on my second Alfa too...
Recently sold the 156 and bought a Spider instead. I did enjoy the 156 but I absolutely love the Spider. I'm always looking for excuses to 'pop out to the shops'
'Wassat luv?...Running low on milk?...No problem, I'll get that for you straightaway...'
Problem is, a trip to the garage just up the road turns into a 20 mile round trip!!
You buy an Alfa with your heart- not your head. Don't think I could go back to a standard eurobox now...


eznfrank - 13/9/08 at 07:41 AM

They can be a bit of a pain in the ass but Alfa's are pretty cool.

ONly problem is missus wants to get rid of teh 145 and get a Lancia Delta Evo instead - which i envisage being the biggest headache ever!!!!