I havn't been on here much at all recently but i couldn't believe the welcome this guy got.
Linky . Is this the way this forum has gone since i have been away? Is it just me
that is p***** off with this kind of treatment?
I agree...a bit heavy handed...
But come on.....Your first post on a forum...
Surley you could manage more than a one line badly written statement??!??!?
Yeah we welcome people. There is just an expectation that i'm as guilty of as anyone (i have to say that, i posted in the thread). I find it hard
enough reading peoples questions, if proper english is written then it makes it a lot easier.
I appreciate there are a number of foreign members, many of whom write english far better than myself. Some don't, they still take the time to
try and write 'good' english and apologise for any mistakes. I give them the same courtesy of trying to read their questions and answer
them.
I find writing in txt speak, with no attempt at sentances frustrating on a forum like this. Hence the response - yet I've still tried to offer
help.
If this guy has just learnt to read and write, who the hell taught him to write using "txt speak"? Is this on the curriculum?
My spooling is ferry puwer bt eye du tri 2 make en hefart.
The trouble here as with any forum is we arent face to face so you dont know if someone is saying (writing something) with any intonation of a smile
or is deadly serious is being a smartarse or knows his onions.
But good manners are good manners and to wade in on your first few posts without them is bound to hack folk off.
My two pence worth anyroad.
Cheers,
Bob
I make no apologies for my contributions on the thread.
My message still stands....if you make the best effort you can to ask your question in real English then you will get a better response.
I simply refuse to try and translate textspeak.....why should I?
better not reply at all than chuck silly attitude about, new people dont understand the unwritten rules you guys have going here. Witness the
treatment i recieved at the less than gentle hands of some twot called scooty or summat. Accused of spamming after trying to join in the friday sing a
long or some such. This kind of nasty elitist bullying to score a few credibility points with the other post counters is deplorable. Its just a shame
we never get hold of idiots like this in real life cos years of racing at olivers mount and the tt have left me with a fair pair of balls and a
thousand yard stare to die for. Never said owt at the time but was made to feel very unwelcome despite having passable grammar. This on the day i
contributed my hard earned and shortly after being helpful myself to some long standing members with bike carb setup prob's.
Nasty elitist bullies sums it up nicely i think, (he aint alone). They just type endless rubbish to gain a post count but actually contribute sod all
to the resource. Give me a bad speller over this type of puss anytime. At least the rest of us might learn something from the replies they get from
genuinely skilled and helpful members that we were scared to ask because of just this type of attitude to anyone with a lower post number or the wrong
car/engine type.
I'll prob get bounced now but it wanted saying, if so i will have recieved pretty bad value for my contribution having not asked a single
question of my own. Should ban these useless loiterers instead as they are scaring genuine types away With this type of "your new and i'm
not" rubbish.
Feel much better now but not as good as i would feel were i to get my hand's round the neck of the childish clique bastard. Thank you and good
night.
Ps. Can i have my tenner back if i get banned please.:-)..
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years of racing at olivers mount and the tt have left me with a fair pair of balls and a thousand yard stare to die for.
Oi! Wot 'e sed!
if someone posted in Mongolian would anyone be bothered to work out what the hell the poster was on about? No.
So why should we translate that. Admittedly I initally just passed over after reading the first post, but is no welcome worse than a "please
help us to help you" welcome? I think perhaps so.
Accept the lesser of the two evils or persuade Chris to place a complusary spell and grammar checker on prior after the submit button.
[Edited on 11/909/0808 by JamJah]
He should have had a better welcome and those comments could have been politer (if that is a word) but what is the point in using 'text'
language? This is a car builders forum not a text message. We dont get charged more if the post goes over a certain length.
Just my 2p's worth 
You've found 1 example of someone not being welcomed in a friendly way, it does not mean we do that to everyone. The complaint made in the
thread you listed was a specific one and not related to the guy being new.
Personally I hate poor grammar, spelling and especially text speak. My spelling isn't great but I make the effort. To write a whole paragraph
with no punctuation at all and with that kind of spelling shows the state of attitude that our country is sliding towards invites that kind of
response. Tolerance is appeasement!
I let the odd spelling error go, even in appropriate uses of apostrophies because it is against the spirit of the board. A total lack of written
English in that thread was just asking for criticism.
If you want someone to spend their time giving you advice, the least courtesy you should offer is to break your questions up into sentences.
[Edited on 11-9-2008 by smart51]
His third post shows he can do it if he tries. If I were a newbie on the forum asking for help I would be more polite.
And he did get the help he was asking for.
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I let the odd spelling error go, even in appropriate uses of apostrophies because it is against the spirit of the board. A total lack of written English in that thread was just asking for critisism.
quote:
Originally posted by smart51
that kind of spelling shows the state of attitude that our country is sliding towards. Tollerance is apeasement!
I let the odd spelling error go, even in appropriate uses of apostrophies because it is against the spirit of the board. A total lack of written English in that thread was just asking for critisism.
If you want someone to spend their time giving you advice, the least couresy you should offer is to break your questions up into sentances.
quote:
Originally posted by hellbent345
quote:
Originally posted by smart51
that kind of spelling shows the state of attitude that our country is sliding towards. Tollerance is apeasement!
I let the odd spelling error go, even in appropriate uses of apostrophies because it is against the spirit of the board. A total lack of written English in that thread was just asking for critisism.
If you want someone to spend their time giving you advice, the least couresy you should offer is to break your questions up into sentances.
Ha! Criticising someone's spelling is like setting off a pedant homing beacon
It's probably a form of intellectual snobbery that makes me a bad person, but if I read something written that badly I do wonder if said person
is punching above their weight in trying to build something complicated. If you can't even bother to attempt to communicate properly when trying
to gain technical knowledge how many other 'shortcuts' do you take?
And before anyone goes off on one, there's usually a clear difference when reading posts between someone who may be dyslexic (perfectly
acceptable), and someone who isn't even trying.
Now where did I leave my asbestos undies...
Seeing as he was a newbie I personally would have gone on the principle of letting it slide for the first ten / twenty posts so he / she at least got
a nice reception and then maybe say something....
... but then that's just me....
- didn't this happen before with someone who later turned out to be dyslexic.
Should it matter whether the person in question is dyslexic?
As someone who has been around SENs (Special Educational needs) it shouldn't be to turn a blind eye but to help push facilities to help (such as
writing your replies in a word processor, check then copy them into the "Post Reply" screen).
Being ignorant to a problem won’t make it go away..!
[Edited on 11/909/0808 by JamJah]
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Can i have my tenner back if i get banned please.:-)..
One of the reasons that annoyed me was i know a guy who races autograss cars who was ripped to shreds on an internet forum for his posts with terrible
spelling and punctuation (he didn't even put spaces between his words). When he was asked to stop posting he admitted he could not write or spell
and had difficulty understanding writing as well. All his posts now go through an administrator first to help him sort them out. He is not thick and
would do anything for you and also has a great head for engineering and builds some realy good cars.He can also use text language very well as it
makes more sense to him. I am not a fan of text talk on internet forums as well but we are probably all guilty of using it sometimes.Swmbo will
probably agree. If somebody cannot spell it does not mean they cannot build cars or understand how they work!!!! All i am saying is try to be a bit
more understanding and help people who are less blessed than yourselves.
Ronnie
Meh, I got banned from WSCC because I didnt own a westfield!
God help any one who has dyslexia if they come onto this site
I think there is a difference between not being able to spell which is not a big deal (you can install Firefox spellchecker) and not even trying to
format a sentence in any recognisable form.
I do agree the response was a bit harsh though.
However, I think it's right to try to make sentences as easy to read as possible, and if you know you have issues with this then maybe you should
mention this your inital post.
Can i ask one question?
Did anyone here not understand, on the first post , what he was actually asking?.
My wife has just read it and understood exactly what he was asking.
She says he was asking if anyone has any plans ,or knows of any plans, of an off-road buggy that looks like a class 10 buggy.
[Edited on 11/9/08 by meany]
quote:
Originally Posted by Simoto
Witness the treatment i recieved at the less than gentle hands of some twot called scooty or summat.
quote:
Originally posted by meany
Can i ask one question?
Did anyone here not understand, on the first post , what he was actually asking?.
My wife has just read it and understood exactly what he was asking.
She says he was asking if anyone has any plans ,or knows of any plans, of an off-road buggy that looks like a class 10 buggy.
[Edited on 11/9/08 by meany]
But you understood what he was saying.
Yes, and I can understand a bit of French too, but you wouldn't suggest he write in French would you.
I'm not defending the rather heavy handed reply, not something I would do, BUT if I'm new to a forum I would certainly do what I could to
make myself easily understood and not make people work for it, wouldn't you?
Im with you on that.
But why is such a big issue being made out of it.
lets see what his posts are like from now on, if he bothers to come back that is.
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Originally posted by Jasper
I'm not defending the rather heavy handed reply, not something I would do, BUT if I'm new to a forum I would certainly do what I could to make myself easily understood and not make people work for it, wouldn't you?
I'm on the side of making an effort to write properly too.
I nearly quoted a paragraph on this very thread that had been written by a person on the other side of the argument. It was a solid block of 6 lines
(on my widescreen) of text and was difficult to read due to the problem of finding the correct line when my eyes go from the end of one line to the
start of the next.
How much would it cost to put in some line spaces?
Nothing.
It's just thoughtlessness not to have any concern for the reader.
John
These last 2 posts sum up my points perfectly. It is not and never has been about picking on people for spelling and grammar...like most people mine
isn't perfect by any means.
However, if I'm asking a question I will do my very best to make it as clear and understandable as I possibly can...it's the least I can do
if I want the best response.
Alan
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Originally posted by alistairolsen
Meh, I got banned from WSCC because I didnt own a westfield!
