Gergely
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| posted on 2/12/08 at 10:33 PM |
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Help design a race series for novices!
Hi,
Suppose that someone was thinking of starting a race series in a country where there are only one make series run currently. He wanted to create a
race series for the complete novices on a tight budget.
Obviously he would need a formula, a set of rules that would ensure that people arriving with different cars still can be competitive and it is not
the money you spend on your car that will grant you a podium...
What formula, what rules would you suggest?
In other words, help me design a race series that will be cheap to enter and competitive.
I was thinking along the lines of:
- Time attack / supersprint type races (fastest lap times determine winning order) - to avoid crashes inevitable in close fights during normal
racing...
- Categories determined on power to weight (difficult to measure power on the spot...)
- Limited upgrades allowed for entry class
- Control tyres (cheap and readily available)
- Limited safety / regulation requirements (helmet, gloves, suit, boots, some rollover protection, fire extinguisher, 4 point harness?)
Any ideas? I am seriously thinking about this with some friends... What would be the most simple, cheap but fun race series you would design?
How would you combat cheating (illegal modifications, etc...)?
Gergely
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blakep82
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| posted on 2/12/08 at 10:39 PM |
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was watching top gear the other week, a VERY good idea on there from finland.
the cars were anything and everything, all different power, weights, age etc. they could be modified in any way, but each car had a set cost. each car
was worth a figure, for example 1000 euro, and if someone said they wanted to buy your car, you HAD to sell it to them. so the power catagories were
sort of self governing, because you could spend a fortune making mods to the engine, but at the end of it, your car was still worth the same as anyone
elses. and anyone else could buy a car in any tune state.
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Jubal
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| posted on 2/12/08 at 10:47 PM |
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Yeah, that was a great idea in Finland. I'd love to read up on the rules etc in more detail. Anyone got a link? Google is giving me nothing.
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iank
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| posted on 2/12/08 at 10:52 PM |
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To avoid crashing spints are a good idea, but it's a different discipline to racing with other people on the track.
If you're looking for how other series try to rules it's worth checking out the 750mc regulations.
http://www.750mc.co.uk/racing.php
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Mark G
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| posted on 2/12/08 at 11:03 PM |
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That episode of top gear came straight to my mind too. I think its a great way to seperate the good drivers from the good cars.
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blakep82
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| posted on 2/12/08 at 11:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark G
That episode of top gear came straight to my mind too. I think its a great way to seperate the good drivers from the good cars.
and those who could afford it and those who couldn't
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RK
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| posted on 2/12/08 at 11:33 PM |
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Doesn't your local racing body have any ideas?
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 3/12/08 at 08:15 AM |
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I liked the finish idea but you could also give the drivers a TOTAL budget of say £200 that they had to spend on the car AND any modifications they
wanted to do. £200 could buy all sorts of cars from mercs to jags, or the competitors could buy say a fiesta and put something more powerful in.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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blakep82
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| posted on 3/12/08 at 08:20 AM |
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^ but how do you check they've only spent £200 on it. and what happens to a broken engine after you've spent your £200?
nah, make it you can modify in any way you want, but the cars are only worth a set figure regardless of what you do to it, and you have to sell/swap
if someone asks you to, that keeps everyone about the same
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sickbag
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| posted on 3/12/08 at 08:24 AM |
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You could do it the same as the Yamaha R1 cup run by Rob Mac.
http://www.robmacracing.com/
Look under the R1 cup section - they used to run the Virgin mobile R6 cup until they changed to the R1s.
The drivers would pay you a fee at the beginning of the season (or in installments through the year) and all they do is turn up at each track and
race.
Each car would be maintained by your own team of engineers so there can be no foul play by anyone.
Finally back on the job!
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AndyGT
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| posted on 3/12/08 at 10:01 AM |
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Autotesting?
Outright speed becomes less important. Driver control is everything and prices are, in the main, irrelevant. e.g. buy an old mini, do a roof chop
and trim strip. Reinforce where you wish and hey presto...
Speeds rarely exceed 40mph so safety is less important. Maybe just ensure cars have seatbelts and that they are sturdy enough for small impacts...
I have done this at my local club and managed to beat a nissan 2000sx s13 with a lot of modded bits and a good driver in a 1300 escort mk2 with a
welded diff!!!
Cheap as chips and a lot of fun....
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Gergely
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| posted on 3/12/08 at 11:35 AM |
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Thanks for the ideas guys, please keep them coming!
I like the idea of selling / swapping the car, but what would you do if you had a nice, well prepared car just in the budget, you are also a fairly
good driver and you win the first race, then at the end of the race someone with a very badly put together car, who finished last wants to swap...?
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iank
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| posted on 3/12/08 at 01:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Gergely
Thanks for the ideas guys, please keep them coming!
I like the idea of selling / swapping the car, but what would you do if you had a nice, well prepared car just in the budget, you are also a fairly
good driver and you win the first race, then at the end of the race someone with a very badly put together car, who finished last wants to swap...?
I agree, if you've built a nice safe competitive car and are forced to swap for an underpowered death trap it's not going to be a good
experience.
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blakep82
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| posted on 3/12/08 at 06:20 PM |
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^ but thats what keeps it interesting, because then its not just the people who have the money to build a powerful car that win., it evens it out, and
stops people spending too much on their car making it too powerful. gives everyone a chance, and if someone wants to swap you do a race, then swap it
on for a different better car
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iank
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| posted on 3/12/08 at 10:01 PM |
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Which is great until someone dies/is seriously injured in a death trap they were forced into swapping by the rules.
You might as well buy 20 cars for £200 each and roll a dice at the start of every race to see who gets which.
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blakep82
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| posted on 3/12/08 at 10:04 PM |
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well they've still got to meet safety and scrutineering rules! i never said they'd be 'death traps'! that would be stupid
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