tegwin
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 01:48 PM |
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IMHO... Using Scotts, English and Welsh as an example is not really comparable to the situation we have here...
These are (in some cases) ethnic groups who have moved to the UK simply for the benefits but will not allow any sort of integration... a little bit
like parasites.... although that word is a little harsh perhaps...
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Jumpy Guy
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 01:56 PM |
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I will say again- whats with the assumption that muslims aren't British?
I have friends who might not 'look British', whatever that is. To be honest, lots of people dont look like the typical Daily Mail reader.
Thank god ;-)
These British friends also happen to be muslim.
Their grandfathers came to the uk in the 60's. Along with lots of Poles, Germans etc etc
So. british passport. pay British taxes. Support OUR NHS.
But happen to pray to a different God.
THEY ARE BRITISH!!!
And another thing worth mentioning, the frequent complaint about lack of integration.
The British are notorious for moving to foreign lands, but insisting on speaking English, going to British pubs, having HP sauce sent to them.
[Edited on 11/3/09 by Jumpy Guy]
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 02:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tegwin
IMHO... Using Scotts, English and Welsh as an example is not really comparable to the situation we have here...
These are (in some cases) ethnic groups who have moved to the UK simply for the benefits but will not allow any sort of integration... a little bit
like parasites.... although that word is a little harsh perhaps...
As mentioned above, many Muslims have been born here and as they are free to do, continue their cultural traditions which include speaking their own
language and wearing their own cloths. Hence my example of the Scots, Welsh etc…
America and Australia (both highly successful countries) were founded by purely by immigrants and have in many cases retained distinctive cultures
like the Italians etc Britain is a mixture of cultures, always has been, a point often deliberately missed out by the BNP twits
quote:
Originally posted by Jumpy Guy
But happen to pray to a different God.
Actually it’s exactly the same god as Christians, Mormons and Jews
The Qur'an calls them 'People of the Book' (which refers to the original scriptures from which the Qur’an, Tanakh and Bible were
written) and respects their right to worship God in their own way.
[Edited on 11/3/09 by Mr Whippy]
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 02:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jumpy Guy
But happen to pray to a different God.
Same God! And a fair number of the same prophets (e.g. Moses, Jesus).
They just worship in a different way, and with different values.
All lot of these extremists are not necessarily good muslims - their beliefs and standards are often tribal, not religeous.
I have worked with several muslims - one was a total PITA, but all the rest were nice, friendly people and a pleasure to know.
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 02:19 PM |
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Eh, What "good" do the BNP ever do?
Whilst I agree that its a shame that people who are coming home to their loved ones are heckled - at the end of the day these protests aren't an
excuse for a load of racist rants.
There are massive generalities being made in this thread which sound very bigoted.
Personally I dont agree with what the protestors were doing, but they have a right to protest. This thread has disintergrated into a bit of mess,
which is a shame.
quote:
Originally posted by sickbag
quote:
Originally posted by coozer
Well I cannot write here my thoughts...
All I can say is imagine the BNP protesting about suicide bombers on the London underground.
Animals.
The popular press have a self-imposed ban on reporting anything the BNP does (good or bad) so we'd never hear about it anyway.
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 02:22 PM |
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re being British,in my book that means adopting the British way of life and abiding by the rules here,supporting our cricket or footie team etc.
any clown can have a British passport,it means nothing,the acid test is what side would you be on in a war?
i see plenty "British" muslims have been found in afganistan etc shooting at our troops,does them having a British passport make them
British?
if they like it there so much why not move out there?
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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sucksqueezebangblow
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 02:24 PM |
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This is not about race but is about integration. If new arrivals integrate they are welcome, if they don't they should leave to a country where
they can integrate, regardless of race.
Through the abject failure of immigration policy (and Labours desire to import more voters), there could eventually be enough islamic fundamentalists
to swing the vote, and Britain could conceivably become an islamist fundamentalist totalitarian state, (the declared aim of islamic fundamentalists in
this country).
You may laugh but don't forget modern history, Germany was democratic before the Nazis got enough votes to gain power and then immediately
implemented a fashist totalitarian government.
We can also thank Hitler's extreme racism for ensuring that we all run scared of addressing non-integration in the modern world, for fear of it
being mistaken as racism.
Those who forget the lessons of history are destined to repeat them.
Better to Burnout than to Fade Away JET METAL ~ AndySparrow © 
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 02:33 PM |
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I hate cricket and football, they both suck
wern't the Nazi's Christian?
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sucksqueezebangblow
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 02:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
I hate cricket and football, they both suck
wern't the Nazi's Christian?
And your point is........?
Perhaps your point is it is okay to stop christian totalitarian takeovers but not islamic ones?
[Edited on 11/3/09 by sucksqueezebangblow]
Better to Burnout than to Fade Away JET METAL ~ AndySparrow ©
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 02:43 PM |
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Their taking over?
How exactly, I only see a small crowd of protesters, mainly pi$$ed of cos the British and Americans are bombing their country on the orders of a pair
of T££ser who are only interested in securing oil reserves. Certainly I don't see many Muslims in parliament. I don't see any Muslim
planes and tanks when I walk down the street. Actually I see more Polish bus drivers than any other immigrants, perhaps their taking over and will
hold our bus service to ransom 
[Edited on 11/3/09 by Mr Whippy]
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sickbag
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 02:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
Their taking over?
How exactly, I only see a small crowd of protesters, mainly pi$$ed of cos the British and Americans are bombing their country on the orders of a pair
of T££ser who are only interested in securing oil reserves. Certainly I don't see many Muslims in parliament. I don't see any Muslim
planes and tanks when I walk down the street. Actually I see more Polish bus drivers than any other immigrants, perhaps their taking over and will
hold our bus service to ransom
[Edited on 11/3/09 by Mr Whippy]
Muslims have pretty much taken over every country they currently occupy. Egypt, the birth place of christianity, was taken over by muslim invaders.
Bhuddist monks in Malaysia (spelling) are being brutally murdered by muslim insurgents (this is happening now!) - how long before they are gone
forever, to be replaced by islam.
Romania used to be wholly christian - now it is muslim. The list goes on.
I am not racist, but I certainly can see a belief that is taking us over and nothing seems to be done about it.
[Edited on 11/3/09 by sickbag]
Finally back on the job!
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 03:07 PM |
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don't know mate looks like the Christian and Protestants are ahead -
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smart51
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 03:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
wern't the Nazi's Christian?
Not in any way, though they may have tried to use it for their own ends, nothing in Christianity supports Facism, Totalitarianism or mass racist
genocide.
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sickbag
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 03:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
don't know mate looks like the Christian and Protestants are ahead -
I think the British empire (as did the Roman empire) gave more to the world in its short existence than Islam ever will.
Finally back on the job!
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woodster
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 03:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
Their taking over?
How exactly, I only see a small crowd of protesters, mainly pi$$ed of cos the British and Americans are bombing their country on the orders of a pair
of T££ser who are only interested in securing oil reserves. Certainly I don't see many Muslims in parliament. I don't see any Muslim
planes and tanks when I walk down the street. Actually I see more Polish bus drivers than any other immigrants, perhaps their taking over and will
hold our bus service to ransom
I'm not racsist but i do live in a town thats been changed/flooded by asians and my kids school in the last 5 years has now become mainly asian
...... and no longer has a nativity at christmas as it may upset the none christians ..... we have mosques springing up all over town we even have
council signs in arabic so yes i would say "taking over" ....... my eldest starts secondary school this september where 52 different
languages are spoken according to the head
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smart51
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 03:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mr_pr
quote:
Originally posted by smart51
The war in Iraq is a bad thing and has nothing to do with the UK or its people. The war in Afghanistan is no better.
I cannot accept your comment regarding Afghanistan.
Have you ever spoken to Afghan civilians? On what basis have you formed your opinion? When you have heard how they used to live (under Taliban Rule)
and how much better their lifestyle is now you may change your view.
No I haven't spoken to Afghan civilians. I don't need to. The Afghan war is a mess and has been described as a stale mate by the British
Army. Afghanistan hadn't attacked the UK, the British troops are not defending the UK. The new government in Afghanistan is regarded as half
ineffective, half corrupt. This is how I form my opinion that it is a mess.
I take it that you've been there yourself and have widely canvased opinion there, and that you have seen firm proof that Afghanistan was
iminently to be a base for attacking the UK?
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 03:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by woodster
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
Their taking over?
How exactly, I only see a small crowd of protesters, mainly pi$$ed of cos the British and Americans are bombing their country on the orders of a pair
of T££ser who are only interested in securing oil reserves. Certainly I don't see many Muslims in parliament. I don't see any Muslim
planes and tanks when I walk down the street. Actually I see more Polish bus drivers than any other immigrants, perhaps their taking over and will
hold our bus service to ransom
I'm not racsist but i do live in a town thats been changed/flooded by asians and my kids school in the last 5 years has now become mainly asian
...... and no longer has a nativity at christmas as it may upset the none christians ..... we have mosques springing up all over town we even have
council signs in arabic so yes i would say "taking over" ....... my eldest starts secondary school this september where 52 different
languages are spoken according to the head
sometimes teenagers mumble, it’s probably only a couple of languages
anyway your community should be praised of such commendable efforts to welcome new cultures. I notice road signs up here have both English and Gaelic
for those stubborn English types who resist our conversion attempts, though we have yet to make wearing kilts mandatory on pain of death.
That may change…
unfortunately I have to go home now, but thanks for a great debate 
[Edited on 11/3/09 by Mr Whippy]
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jabbahutt
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 03:59 PM |
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It would of been interesting to see how long their protest would of been tolerated if it had been held anywhere near parliment? bet the old anti
terror laws would of quickly been invoked then.
Whether the protestors are offically classed as British or not it didn't exactly appear to be a peaceful protest. I'd agree that if you
feel that strongly about the country you live in and despise the way things are done that much find somewhere that suits your tastes better. This
applies particularly to people who came here seeking refuge from Countries which apparently wanted to lock them up or worse and were happy to come
here and accept our culture of benefits only to then start demanding things are changed.
Unfortunately this pressure cooker is going to boil over sooner of later
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BenB
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 05:00 PM |
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The scare mongering Daily Mail are just as complicit in stirring up racial hatred as the nutty preachers who recommend radical action.
Personally I think there should be a healthy debate about the involvement of UK soldiers in foreign countries. That debate hasn't been had and,
I believe, quite a few people are just as annoyed as the people demonstrating (even if they show it in a slightly more dignified way).
You're not going to get that debate if you listen to vitriloic bilious bull as spouted by radical preachers or arse-wipe newspapers like the
DM.
As much as I would not want to turn my back on the soldiers in Iraq, what the hell are they doing out there other than turning a country into an
extremely expensive training range for recruits? At least the action in Afghanistan can be supported on the grounds that the Taliban were actually
implicit in involvement with international terrorism.
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frodo_monkey
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 05:35 PM |
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My humble opinion (currently serving in the military) is that, although rather distasteful, the protests must be allowed otherwise it makes a mockery
of what we in the Forces do.
As I have been told (and told others) before, we might not like what you have to say - but we will fight to the death to defend your right to say
it.
These Anglians are merely the instruments of a policy driven by No. 10; I think the protest might work better directed there.
And, for what its worth, I wonder how many of these protestors would have the courage to walk down Colchester/Aldershot/wherever high street on a
Saturday night and say it?! 
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting."
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 07:18 PM |
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee5_1236718042
that told em
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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BenB
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| posted on 11/3/09 at 08:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by theconrodkid
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee5_1236718042
that told em
Great.
Makes you proud to be British.
One load of ignorant brain-washed idiots shouting and swearing at another.
FA cup anyone?
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