mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 09:06 PM |
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What we will run our cars on next
During the Apathied years the world wouldnt sell South Africa enough oil. So the SA boffins went and perfected the oil from coal processes.
They have got several processes going and as they have large coal reserves they are going to have oil for a long long time. Read about these
processes @ www.sasol.com. China will probally buy the technology to use thier huge coal reserves.
How long before they start digging up Yorkshire and Fife again!!!!!!!!!! Scary thought! Maggie rolling in her grave!
technologies & processes
The Fischer-Tropsch processes, gasification and allied petrochemical technologies typify Sasol's innovative approach to products and
processes.
Sasol has developed two new-generation Fischer-Tropsch technologies with significant benefits. These are the high-temperature Sasol Advanced Synthol
(SAS) process and the low-temperature Sasol Slurry Phase Distillate (SPD) process.
Two sources of gas are utilised. In our SAS reactors, synthesis feed gas from coal
is converted to yield gasoline and light olefins. In the SPD process, natural gas is reformed into synthesis gas and then converted to high-quality
diesel.
Our separation technologies have enabled us to become an international marketer of
1-pentene, 1-hexene and 1-octene. These technologies have also generated a phenols and cresols business with excellent potential for growth, as well
as production of mining chemicals, alcohols, and ketones.
last updated: 20 Feb 2003
[Edited on 7-9-04 by mangogrooveworkshop]
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Viper
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 09:23 PM |
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Alchohol......
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 09:41 PM |
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My thoughts exactly, not as risky as hydrogen, simple to make, the co2 released is exactly equal to the co2 fixed by the plant material used to
produce it. Slightly less calorific value than petrol, very little modification to existing technology to use it.
Apparently you can ferment it from raw sewage, two birds with one stone, and you would be less inclined to drink it!!
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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Viper
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 09:43 PM |
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rape seed diesel...........
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 09:45 PM |
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Fiat organisation have done research in south america on natural resorces. The can make a car run on the native grasses in that region. they are going
to call the car the alfalfa romeo
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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Viper
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 09:48 PM |
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Hugh Paterson
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 09:53 PM |
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Big rubber bands through a 2:1 reduction gearbox, big surge of energy on release but embarrasing when the skateboards start overtaking u on
wind-down
Shug.
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 09:56 PM |
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Back to horse drawn barges.... Shug You will make a killing.
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mad4x4
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 09:56 PM |
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used Vegtable oil instead of Diesel
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 09:58 PM |
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Hamsters in a wheel...
...link up enough, and you're away!
DJ
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cassidym
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 11:20 PM |
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Funny this topic came up coz only last week I've been thinking about SASOL.
If I remember correctly SASOL started up in the early '80's to develop fuel from coal coz we could'nt import oil as freely anymore
due to sanctions.
For years on end SASOL operated at a loss and it was widely perceived as a state funded white elephant. Unfortunately the apartheid goverment
could'n shut the project down anymore coz billions were invested so it just carried on and on + it was a way of sticking it to the rest of the
world.
The process works yes, but there is a question of viability - only recently has a SASOL filling station opened up in our area so little real benefits
have been experienced by the country's citizens.
Another interesting apartheid era project was the production of fuel/oil from sunflowers. If memory serves me correctly that also was successful; I
can remember it being advertised widely in my younger days.
But I do'nt think the world will be beating a path to our door for fuel from coal or sunflowers.
Recently the possibility was discussed of exploiting our platinum as "catalyst" for the next generation power sources. Apparently heavy
R&D is being put into it and not only by SA but other countries as well. If you take into account that we sit with 70-80% of the worlds'
platinum resources, it seems that the sun will shine eventually on our country.
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Benzine
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 11:53 PM |
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In one of my environmental modules at university our lecturer kept telling us one day everything would run on hydrogen and there would be huge
deposits stored in space around the earth in massive vessels which have been shipped from around the solar system.  I hope i live to see that ^_^
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binraker
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 12:02 AM |
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look at my last post in http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=17167
what is it about me that makes me look like i know what im doing????
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marktigere1
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 08:33 AM |
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I'm running my daily driver on BioDiesel made from waste Vegetable oil.
I purchase it from a local fuel supplier for 77p a litre. Looking to improve on that and I'm seriously considering having a pure veg oil
conversion done. (See www.dieselveg.com)
Filled up on my drive this morning. Have been using it for about four months now with no problem. Car is running much smoother and smells a little
like a chip shop.
I buy 100 litres a month and that sees me through. Its nice to pay for my fuel up front so I can keep a check on it. Get 44mpg +
All I need to do now is find a source of Alcohol to run the GTi.
Cheers
Mark
If a bolt is stuck force it.
If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway!!!
(My Dad 1991)
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 08:49 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Viper
rape seed diesel...........
Is that Vin Diesel's Sister?
atb
steve
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 08:53 AM |
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A local tescos is selling it too - it costs 1p more than the proper stuff!!!!
I dont know if my company would like me to use second hand fuel in my 22k car to actually save no money at all.
If we are talking about being kind to the environment, why the f^&k did the government legislate to financially push people towards diesel company
cars? Lower CO but particle emissions 100 's of times higher!
Now I have a diesel, if they are all like the beemer 320d Id have one every time. Free revving and masses of torque. Overtaking on a country road in
4th needs no changing down. And at 100mph its doing 2,800 rpm!
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by marktigere1
I'm running my daily driver on BioDiesel made from waste Vegetable oil.
I purchase it from a local fuel supplier for 77p a litre. Looking to improve on that and I'm seriously considering having a pure veg oil
conversion done. (See www.dieselveg.com)
Filled up on my drive this morning. Have been using it for about four months now with no problem. Car is running much smoother and smells a little
like a chip shop.
I buy 100 litres a month and that sees me through. Its nice to pay for my fuel up front so I can keep a check on it. Get 44mpg +
All I need to do now is find a source of Alcohol to run the GTi.
Cheers
Mark
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marktigere1
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 09:13 AM |
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The Tesco stuff is only 5% BioDiesel hence the EN950 rating.
I'm running on 100%. All studies of the fuel say its kinder to the engine injection pumps but there are problems associated with using 100%.
Firstly pre 95 diesels will need any rubber fuel lines replaced to Viton hoses and the fuel filter will need replacing after the first 500 miles or so
to removed the s**t that normal diesel has left behind in the fuel tank and lines due to Bio's solvent properties.
All users of Bio on post 95 cars have not had any problems provided you use a fuel which meets the EN standard for fuel. (Which mine does BTW)
The only reason the fuel is not way cheaper than conventional diesel is because of the governments refusal to lower the fuel tax on environmentally
friendly fuel any lower than they have already. LPG is NOT an environmentally friendly fuel in that the CO2 emmisions are still from fossils but its
cheaper than BIO.
BIO has a net CO2 of zero.
I'm going to stop now because the soap box is making me dizzy.
Sorry.
Cheers
Mark
If a bolt is stuck force it.
If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway!!!
(My Dad 1991)
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 09:20 AM |
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and the particulate emissions are..... ?
atb
steve
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marktigere1
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 09:31 AM |
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The %mass of sulphated ash produced in combustion is 50% lower than regular diesel according to the analysis of the fuel I'm using. Ash being
the particulate emitted by the combustion of fuel.
It was independently tested by ITS Testing Services (UK) Ltd.
Cheers
Mark
If a bolt is stuck force it.
If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway!!!
(My Dad 1991)
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skinny
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 09:58 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
and the particulate emissions are..... ?
very very low with a diesel particulate filter. some companies (PSA etc) use fuel additives, some companies use low saps oils, but basically they are
both methods to ensure that all particles are trapped in the filter, and then periodically, trick valve timing or something similar raises exhaust
temperature to burn these particles off and regenerate the filter. apparently, big clouds of diesel 'smoke' are a thing of the past. for a
very detailed view of how the PSA DPFS works, go here and click on #1
- how the DPFS works, it's brilliant!
if you don't fail, you aren't trying hard enough.
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marktigere1
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| posted on 9/9/04 at 08:41 AM |
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Spoke to a VW salesperson who told me that all VW Diesels from 95 onward are compatible with 100% BioDiesel and has no effect on the vehicles
warranty.
Cheers
Mark
(Disclaimer: Please check with your VW dealer if you wish to use Bio though as I don't want the responsibility or limelight for giving wrong
information. Not that its stopped me before though.......actually, bugger it, I'm running BIO in a Nissan which Nissan say won't run on it
so sod it, do what you like!)
If a bolt is stuck force it.
If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway!!!
(My Dad 1991)
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skinny
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| posted on 9/9/04 at 10:58 AM |
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never thought i would want a vauxhall diesel - but i do!!!
if you don't fail, you aren't trying hard enough.
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marktigere1
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| posted on 9/9/04 at 11:10 AM |
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There was a race recently where one of the entrants ran a diesel powered by BioDiesel. (True honest!!)
Had to withdraw due to the number of Cats/Dogs/Bears etc chasing it down the main straight (Not True)
Cheers
Mark
If a bolt is stuck force it.
If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway!!!
(My Dad 1991)
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