austin man
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| posted on 14/4/13 at 09:35 PM |
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Building Regulations
Hope someone on here can give me a bit of advice , I live in a Terraced house no access to the rear by road so unable to have a garage to the rear.
I understand that there have been some changes to the building regs lately and was wondering if I would be able to have a garage built to the front
elevation of my house if so the garage would have to be attached to the house due to the size of the fromt garden.
Cany anyone offer me advice or the best place to find out what is permittable under the regs
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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Benzo
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| posted on 14/4/13 at 09:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by austin man
Hope someone on here can give me a bit of advice , I live in a Terraced house no access to the rear by road so unable to have a garage to the rear.
I understand that there have been some changes to the building regs lately and was wondering if I would be able to have a garage built to the front
elevation of my house if so the garage would have to be attached to the house due to the size of the fromt garden.
Cany anyone offer me advice or the best place to find out what is permittable under the regs
Im an Architect and i would see you having 3 issues -
- The road service granting easment over the footpath to enter the garage door.
- Building regs for Fire safety between a garage and habitable space.
- Planning laws where you will be changing the style of the street.
Not to mention what is will do to the living spaces of the house in terms of lighting.
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austin man
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| posted on 14/4/13 at 10:01 PM |
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Looks like I will be better erecting a carport or something similar then , the right to light scenario shouldnt be a real problem as we have sunlight
on the back garden from 7,30 am and shade on the front all day long. an up an over door would possibly affect pedestrians.
If I went for a carport could sides be used ie similar to a curtain side trailor, just getting fed up with the car sitting outside over winter under a
cover
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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Benzo
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| posted on 14/4/13 at 10:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by austin man
Looks like I will be better erecting a carport or something similar then , the right to light scenario shouldnt be a real problem as we have sunlight
on the back garden from 7,30 am and shade on the front all day long. an up an over door would possibly affect pedestrians.
If I went for a carport could sides be used ie similar to a curtain side trailor, just getting fed up with the car sitting outside over winter under a
cover
It not the door and pedestrians, its the driving on the footpath part, they roads service would never accept a drop kerb etc infront of the garage
door unless some of your neighbours already park in their front garden area and have there fore set a precedent?
Not really talking about other peoples right to light either, its more how dark is would make the living conditions in your own house.
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Benzo
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| posted on 14/4/13 at 10:06 PM |
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on the carport idea too, its possibly more feasible, if it was made from timber could be seen as a temporary structure and would not require planning
what so ever.
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austin man
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| posted on 14/4/13 at 10:14 PM |
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my neighbour an I already have a dropped kerb the council did this when they relaid the footpaths, both my neighbour and I park on a concreste
drivevay in front of the house and have done so for years. Kerbs where dropped around 7 years ago
[Edited on 14/4/13 by austin man]
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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Benzo
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| posted on 14/4/13 at 10:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by austin man
my neighbour an I already have a dropped kerb the council did this when they relaid the footpaths
Thats a good start then that you already park at the front of the house.
Do you want to lodge for planning for is or are just thinking about just going for it? you really have 2 x option temp. structure and no planning or a
masonry garage with planning permission.
If you wanted to loose you living room and just extend out slightly you could maybe do it under permitted development. 10% of the existing floor area
as far as i am aware (N.Ireland regs).
[Edited on 14/4/13 by Benzo]
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austin man
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| posted on 14/4/13 at 10:35 PM |
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Ideally I would love a garage I have lived in this house for 24 years now and spent too many cold days working outside but if my only option is a
temporary structure I would have to go for that . I would plan to have a brick built structure to match the existing brickwork If I where to go the
garage route
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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Benzo
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| posted on 14/4/13 at 10:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by austin man
Ideally I would love a garage I have lived in this house for 24 years now and spent too many cold days working outside but if my only option is a
temporary structure I would have to go for that . I would plan to have a brick built structure to match the existing brickwork If I where to go the
garage route
Well if you want to go for a built extension the you'll need to consult an architect, architectural technician or planning consultant to have it
all done above board. I'd prob go with the latter 2 as the fees will be less.
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morcus
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| posted on 14/4/13 at 11:54 PM |
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Would the rules be different if you built a shed instead? Just one with a massive door.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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snapper
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| posted on 15/4/13 at 05:12 AM |
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Having demolished my garage to build an extension to the living space I first opted to rent a lockup garage, kept the car dry but no power or light
and limited space
I know rent a barn with 2 others, loads of space for only a little more than a lockup and we have power and light
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JoelP
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| posted on 15/4/13 at 07:01 AM |
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Highly unlikely you'd be allowed to build forward of your house, they draw an imaginary line along the frontages, call it the building line, and
dont allow anyone through it. This is for the planning department rather than building control who enforce how it is built.
A lot of people say that timber structures are temporary and dont need planning, but im not sure this is the case really.
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Not Anumber
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| posted on 15/4/13 at 08:54 AM |
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I've been thinking about the same for some while. Using the 'temporary structure' excemption to build a garage on part of my drive,
effectively putting walls and a roof over part of the drive between the house and the pavement. I have a full width dropped kerb. It wouldn't
block the windows of the house as most of it's width would be in front of a covered sideway (narrow garage type space between me and the
neighbour's house).
I'd be interested to know what sort of build I could get away with as a temporary structure and whether it would be acceptable to have the doors
opening onto the pavement ?
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Benzo
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| posted on 15/4/13 at 08:54 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
Highly unlikely you'd be allowed to build forward of your house, they draw an imaginary line along the frontages, call it the building line, and
dont allow anyone through it. This is for the planning department rather than building control who enforce how it is built.
A lot of people say that timber structures are temporary and dont need planning, but im not sure this is the case really.
It depends how it's built etc. It's the only real option and then hope that the planners don't enforce it.
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RedAvon
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| posted on 15/4/13 at 11:01 AM |
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I've taken a few commercial and personal projects successfully through planning/building control and would recommend approaching the planners
direct.
I would make an appointment or pop in to your local planning department with a very basic sketch/idea of what you wish to do and ask them for a few
minutes to discuss your proposals/plans. I've found this initial dialogue breaks down the formal barriers and helps you understand what they are
likely to allow before spending any of your time or money.
Once the dialogue has started I've also found that if I couldn't do exactly what I want - which is usual - they are willing to consider
other ideas, options and even make suggestions for what they will accept (in broad terms with no commitment).
Your local office may not be as helpful but its certainly worked for me with large and small projects.
Hope this helps.
Ian
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puma931
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| posted on 15/4/13 at 11:15 AM |
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I don't want to hi-jack this but, Benzo could you advise on:
Do I need planning permission to turn an integral garage into a room?
And
Do I need permission to build a detached single garage at the front of the drive that borders a road?
 
Thanks
Mathew
[Edited on 15/4/13 by puma931]
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Benzo
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| posted on 15/4/13 at 11:17 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by RedAvon
I've taken a few commercial and personal projects successfully through planning/building control and would recommend approaching the planners
direct.
I would make an appointment or pop in to your local planning department with a very basic sketch/idea of what you wish to do and ask them for a few
minutes to discuss your proposals/plans. I've found this initial dialogue breaks down the formal barriers and helps you understand what they are
likely to allow before spending any of your time or money.
Once the dialogue has started I've also found that if I couldn't do exactly what I want - which is usual - they are willing to consider
other ideas, options and even make suggestions for what they will accept (in broad terms with no commitment).
Your local office may not be as helpful but its certainly worked for me with large and small projects.
Hope this helps.
Ian
Very good point, it would be a good idea to take an OS map, Photocopy it and sketch out to scale what it is that you are thinking about before
entering into a fee agreement.
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Benzo
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| posted on 15/4/13 at 11:22 AM |
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Originally posted by puma931
I don't want to hi-jack this but, Benzo could you advise on:
Do I need planning permission to turn an integral garage into a room?
And
Do I need permission to build a detached single garage at the front of the drive that borders a road?
Thanks
Mathew
Mathew,
You will without doubt need planning permission to build the garage and consent from road service to access onto the road, if you already have a drop
kerb in front of your house and park in the driveway things will be more simple.
Generally you will not need planning to convert your existing garage, but you need to be sure that the garage is built to a standard that will be
habitable, insulated roof, walls etc. Personally i would go ahead with the conversion and fingers crossed it will not be enforced. Planning laws here
in NI mean that if a building is not enforced with in 7years of it being done then it is beyond enforcement. So, keep your neighbours sweet.
*edit - Only just seen the photo, where do you want to put the garage? in front of the existing garage? detached?
[Edited on 15/4/13 by Benzo]
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puma931
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| posted on 15/4/13 at 11:56 AM |
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Hi, Yes, would like to put a detached garage in front of the existing one, but boardering the road (all drop kerbed) with a side entry/exit.
Thanks.
quote:
Originally posted by Benzo
quote:
Originally posted by puma931
I don't want to hi-jack this but, Benzo could you advise on:
Do I need planning permission to turn an integral garage into a room?
And
Do I need permission to build a detached single garage at the front of the drive that borders a road?
Thanks
Mathew
Mathew,
You will without doubt need planning permission to build the garage and consent from road service to access onto the road, if you already have a drop
kerb in front of your house and park in the driveway things will be more simple.
Generally you will not need planning to convert your existing garage, but you need to be sure that the garage is built to a standard that will be
habitable, insulated roof, walls etc. Personally i would go ahead with the conversion and fingers crossed it will not be enforced. Planning laws here
in NI mean that if a building is not enforced with in 7years of it being done then it is beyond enforcement. So, keep your neighbours sweet.
*edit - Only just seen the photo, where do you want to put the garage? in front of the existing garage? detached?
[Edited on 15/4/13 by Benzo]
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Benzo
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| posted on 15/4/13 at 12:05 PM |
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Originally posted by puma931
Hi, Yes, would like to put a detached garage in front of the existing one, but boardering the road (all drop kerbed) with a side entry/exit.
It cannot be too close to the road as to block you access viability, that will be determined by the speed of the road you live on.
How would that effect the light coming into the space you want to convert the existing garage too?
You will need to liaise with your planning authority like mentioned above. Do any of your neighbours have anything similar to what you want to
achieve? if so you can use them as precedent and expect the same providing policy hasnt changed since it has been granted for them.
[Edited on 15/4/13 by Benzo]
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Peteff
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| posted on 15/4/13 at 06:52 PM |
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Would you have room to pull out of your garage and close the door without crossing your property boundary ? If not you may not get planning,
that's how it works round here anyway.
yours, Pete
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