donut
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| posted on 28/7/06 at 08:10 AM |
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Tin Top Seats with built in harneses
Had a poke round but can't fin anything at the mo.
My new car (Old Ford form the 60's) has no seat belts as they were not required back then so i need to fit them. I want new seats so was
wondering if there were such things as seats that have harneses that fix to the seat and not the car? Can'f find owt out there, any suggestions?
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
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RazMan
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| posted on 28/7/06 at 08:14 AM |
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I wouldn't have thought that they would pass any form of safety check would they? In a front end crash both driver & seat could detach and
go through the windscreen. Might be good for a parachute option though 
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 28/7/06 at 08:14 AM |
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I'd say not likely as that would require the seat structure to be immensely strong. Seatbelt are require to take several tonnes of force at
shoulder level so to withstand this at the base of the backrest would need pretty serious construction!
I'm ready to be proven wrong though 
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 28/7/06 at 08:32 AM |
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There are seats with the seat belts attached, but I don't know what cars they are fitted to and, as has been said, they would probably be very
strong and therefore very heavy.......
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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big_wasa
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| posted on 28/7/06 at 08:34 AM |
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This would be
my choice. They still will need the reels mounting to the car. An other link
regards warren
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Guinness
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| posted on 28/7/06 at 08:36 AM |
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The only ones I can think of are those fitted to a minibus or coach! As mentioned above you'd have to reinforce the floor to cope with the
additional loads.
Probably best to get a simple perimeter roll cage fitted and bolt a full set of three point tin top style belts to that.
Mike
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donut
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| posted on 28/7/06 at 08:42 AM |
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big_wasa
Those seats on ebay are 'smart'
So do they test seatbelts at MOT if fitted?
[Edited on 28/7/06 by donut]
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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ReMan
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| posted on 28/7/06 at 08:54 AM |
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Fairly sure i've seen them in the likes of BMW convertibles
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nib1980
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| posted on 28/7/06 at 09:03 AM |
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Hi,
I design seats and safety systems for a OEM, you can get seats with belts in, BMW and MERC, but they require us to make the fixings and mounting upto
3 times stronger than a normal seat / belt anchour (depending on zone and market requirements). how this relates to SVA I don't know. but
i'd strogly recomend a seperate harness with good fixings. and the upper anchours to be parralell to your shoulders to stop spinal compression
ina frontal accident.
hope this helps
have fun
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donut
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| posted on 28/7/06 at 09:15 AM |
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I think i'll have to get some fitted properly!!
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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chockymonster
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| posted on 28/7/06 at 09:38 AM |
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My subaru had a harness bar mounted directly behind the front seats to fit harnesses to. It meant the rear seats could still be used.
PLEASE NOTE - Responses on Forum Threads may contain Sarcasm and may not be suitable for the hard of Thinking.
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donut
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| posted on 28/7/06 at 10:01 AM |
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Thats a good idea!
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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chriscook
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| posted on 28/7/06 at 01:56 PM |
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I think quite a few convertibles have them, as already pointed out you need to make sure the seat-floor mounts are 'kin strong.
[Edited on 28/7/06 by chriscook]
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Deckman001
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| posted on 28/7/06 at 03:32 PM |
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So Andy, are you not worrying about harnesses for the kids in the back as well then ??
Jason
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DIY Si
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| posted on 28/7/06 at 07:10 PM |
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quote:
So do they test seatbelts at MOT if fitted?
Yup, but if they're not there then theycan't test them. As long as it didn't haveany to start with.
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Humbug
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| posted on 29/7/06 at 12:29 PM |
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btw, I was intrested in the Smart seats - they look smart and are not very bulky. However, after getting different widths from people on here and
in reply to questions on fleabay, I went to my local Smart dealers with a tape measure.
The base of the seats (the solid bit, not the even wider "wing" bits) are 47cm wide, which rules them out for me anyway as I have 43cm max
betwen tunnel and side of the car.
quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
This would be
my choice. They still will need the reels mounting to the car. An other link
regards warren
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donut
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| posted on 30/7/06 at 05:16 PM |
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quote:
So Andy, are you not worrying about harnesses for the kids in the back as well then ??
I will be looking for belts in the back!!
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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Deckman001
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| posted on 30/7/06 at 06:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by donut
quote:
So Andy, are you not worrying about harnesses for the kids in the back as well then ??
I will be looking for belts in the back!!
Jolly good matey
Jason
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James
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| posted on 31/7/06 at 07:57 AM |
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So, sell a car with good brakes and good seatbelts and protection (massive crumple zone at the front etc.) that just passed SVA because you are too
scared to drive it and buy a car with no seatbelts and drum brakes.... a car that wouldn't pass SVA in a million years!
Genius!!!!
Cheers,
James
[Edited on 31/7/06 by James]
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donut
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| posted on 31/7/06 at 08:38 AM |
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I would like to point out that the car has escort brakes inc discs up front and i will sort the seats out with Stu &Fozzie so it will be sorted
before i drive it.
OK!!
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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Simon
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| posted on 31/7/06 at 07:42 PM |
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Andy,
Have a look at the B pillars, you may find that there is already a mounting, that just needs bolt and washer?
ATB
Simon
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donut
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| posted on 31/7/06 at 07:57 PM |
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Not requird anymore as i have decided that that car is going to be too difficult and expensive to get to how i want it.
Cheers andyway
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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