JoelP
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| posted on 22/8/06 at 07:47 AM |
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bttt
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/5271480.stm
seems he's up for a retrial, after his last one.
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mackei23b
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| posted on 22/8/06 at 08:13 AM |
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159mph, in a vauxhall vectra, was it down hill with a tail wind??
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JAG
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| posted on 22/8/06 at 10:26 AM |
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Hypocritical bastrads!
They have no need to practice driving at such speeds - we've bought most police forces a bloody helicopter to save them having to drive at such
stupid speeds on public roads.
They don't need to do it!
Justin
Who is this super hero? Sarge? ...No.
Rosemary, the telephone operator? ...No.
Penry, the mild-mannered janitor? ...Could be!
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coozer
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| posted on 22/8/06 at 09:39 PM |
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I quote
"He also claimed the speed recorded by the on-board camera was different to the actual speed of the car."
What the hell does that mean? The camera records you at a higher than true speed?
Thats what its suggesting to me. How many people get dragged into tech cars and shown how 'fast' they were going, then issued with a
ticket.
Next time you get pulled ask the knob for the calibration cert for the machine.
"TODAYS cal cert please occifer"
Bastards.
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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andyps
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| posted on 23/8/06 at 02:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
Next time you get pulled ask the knob for the calibration cert for the machine.
"TODAYS cal cert please occifer"
Don't ask at the time, just keep your licence to yourself (i.e. don't admit you have it with you) and ask for the calibration certificates
later - there is no point reminding them to make sure they are done.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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iank
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 10:13 AM |
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FFS. Found guilty but given an absolute discharge. Didn't even get points on his license!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/5284962.stm
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Guinness
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 10:39 AM |
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Cool, so when I get caught for speeding, provided I can (afford) to drag the legal process out to over two years the judge will let me off, deeming
that I will have suffered enough? I funking think not!
"District Judge Peter Wallis said the 38-year-old from Telford, Shropshire, had "suffered enough" with two-and-a-half years of court
proceedings"
Mike
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Coose
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 10:52 AM |
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I've tried to find an article on this but my hangover has made me give up - a few years ago a bloke was nicked on camera doing something like
145mph on a bike on public roads. He got a jail sentence.....
Spin 'er off Well...
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andyps
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 11:35 AM |
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When I heard on the news that he had been found guilty of dangerous driving I wasn't sure if I thought this was a good result or not - reason
being, why it was bad:
I do not think that 159mph is in itself dangerous, it depends upon the conditions and I suspect it could easily be judged that teh driver and
conditions did not make it dangerous (I am not convinced about the 131 on A roads though).
why it was good:
Because there shouldn't be different rules for the police in these situations and so it was good he was found guilty in the same way a
non-police person would be.
However, I then found out that he got a discharge because 2.5 years of court procedures around him was punishment enough. So there are different rules
for the police in these situations. There is no way that a non-police person would have had that happen so my only good feelings were ruled out.
This, therefore, is a bad result for anyone who does not work for the supposed law enforcers.
However, as guiness points out, as long as we can make the case take two and a half years we will be OK. Somehow, I doubt it.....
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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iank
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 12:02 PM |
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Thinking about it I think it's probably worse for the traffic police than him getting a fine and points.
Reason being everyone will drag it out when stopped and will then take it to court using the 'well he didn't get points or a fine and was
doing double my speed'.
So more people going to court and plenty of people giving them a hard time. Can't see them being impressed.
On a more general note any case that goes beyond 2.5 years is going to have hotshot lawyers trying to use the absolute discharge as a precident to get
people minimal sentences.
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JamJah
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 12:26 PM |
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hopefully west mercia police will come to their senses and kick butt internally
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iank
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 12:30 PM |
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Well having a criminal record (think dangerous driving is bad enough to count as a 'real' offence, but could be wrong) is about as career
limiting as it's possible to get in the police.
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JoelP
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 12:54 PM |
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would've been nice for him to get 6 points at least, i got 6 for doing 105. 
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andyps
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 01:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
Well having a criminal record (think dangerous driving is bad enough to count as a 'real' offence, but could be wrong) is about as career
limiting as it's possible to get in the police.
I thought all driving offences were civil, but maybe wrong.
Actually that maybe explains it - the police aren't civilians and therefore not civil and presumably think they are above civil
prosecution...
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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muzchap
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 01:12 PM |
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But - if it's his job to drive fast - WHY is he being punished?
That's my take on it.
This country/world has gone mad - we empower people to do things, then when they do it, we throw our hands up and complain.
I have no problem with an Advanced police driver doing that speed on our roads - if he's gonna catch joyriding scumbag thieves! Think if your
car was nicked - or they are responding to a shooting situation where your family are involved! Would you want him to be doing the speed limit
then?!!?!!!?!!
What I do believe the real problem is - is the disparity when brought to trial.
A) it should never have happened!
B) when it did, he was found guilty - but not given any points? That's madness! And completely undermines the whole system.
I for one hope that lawyers can exploit this pathetic case, that should never have been brought to court in the firstplace
I'm more angry that my tax money has been wasted in such a manner over 2.5 years - how many policemen(women) could this wasted money, have added
to the force!
my 2 cents
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If you believe you're not crazy, whilst everybody is telling you, you are - then they are definitely wrong!
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JamJah
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 01:47 PM |
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But surely at that speed it is harder to judge danger and if something did happen could have taken innocent people out. I heard at one point he said
that it was giving false readings. mind you i am sure i heard he did 90+ in a 30.
even doing in excess of 130 is reckless. couldnt he been done for that too?
there is a place for speed. and that is the track. the police reconize this by having a policy of calling of a chase well before these speeds.
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andyharding
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 01:56 PM |
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I agree with Mango.
His job is to drive cars at fast speeds as safely as possible.
If he doesn't know what the car is capable of how can he know when he is pushing too hard?
Better to find out at 3AM on a motorway than during a high speed chase through a busy town centre etc.
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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ned
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 02:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by andyharding
I agree with Mango.
call me stupid (go on, you know you want to  ) but i can't see any posts from mango on this thread?!
 
[Edited on 25/8/06 by ned]
beware, I've got yellow skin
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andyps
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 02:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by andyharding
I agree with Mango.
His job is to drive cars at fast speeds as safely as possible.
If he doesn't know what the car is capable of how can he know when he is pushing too hard?
Better to find out at 3AM on a motorway than during a high speed chase through a busy town centre etc.
I know a track is not the same as a road, but surely for finding the absolute limits he should have been on a track - that is what you or I have to
do, at our own expense. Motor manufacturers are not allowed to break the speed limits when developing cars, but surely they would have a very good
case for this to ensure they get settings right for everything down to tyre pressures - checking in the real life situation. And they employ drivers
who are probably every bit as good as, if not better than, the police drivers.
Read elsewhere that it is a criminal offence so at least he has something on record for it, but still not right in my view.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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Marcus
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 02:44 PM |
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I agree with Mango and so does my wife!
Marcus
Because kits are for girls!!
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JoelP
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 03:22 PM |
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i say do it on track, there is next to nothing to be learnt at that speed on a motorway. What could he learn? You cant find the limits until
you pass them, by which time he has crashed and still risked peoples lives (you could easily cross the central reservation if you lost control at that
speed). There is a hell of a lot to be learnt on track though, and a track is a lot closer a situation to town driving than speeding on the
motorway.
ps, i too completely agree with mango. 
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Moorron
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| posted on 25/8/06 at 06:53 PM |
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i live in telford and know the roads he was speeding on, one of them has a speed cam van most mornings. This really annoys me.
I also cant believe the police are going to 'apeal' to it. he should be strung up.
Sorry about my spelling, im an engineer and only work in numbers.
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