owelly
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| posted on 25/4/07 at 08:47 PM |
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I'm doing my bit for crime fighting figures....
...by getting nabbed again for not wearing my seat belt! Double D'oh!
I got stopped in my Bongo a couple of months ago and got a £30 fine. No worries, it was a fair cop. I'd just pulled off a garage forecourt that
is on a roundabout and I was pulling the belt across as Mr Police Community Support Officer jumped out at me. It was £30 I could ill afford but it was
my fault.
Since then, I always belt up. Unfortunately, I'd parked the Alfa on a steep hill to go shopping and on anything other than flat ground, the
inertia reels lock up. So I was trundling down the road to the junction where the road levels off and there's Mr plod talking into his top
pocket. A few yards up the road was a police dwarf waving at me. She gave me another £30 ticket. Bu66er. It was my fault again and arguing would have
been fruitless. I tried explaing that I was pregnant and the belt wouldn't fit but she was heartless.
Here's the interesting bit (possibly).As she issued the ticket, she entered the wrong time so I was going to drive up to the police station (30
seconds up the steep hill I'd been parked on!) and ask why I had been issued a ticket 20mins into the future when I spotted the date. I was
issued on the 25/04/06! Exactly a year ago. Can I argue? Dunno what I'm arguing about but I like to wind folks up!!
[Edited on 25/4/07 by owelly]
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 25/4/07 at 08:55 PM |
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I'd argue just for the sake of it mate. BTW did you not get the extra £15 surcharge for people who break the law with their cars (as per a post
on here re domestic violence)
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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Agriv8
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| posted on 25/4/07 at 09:01 PM |
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Dont know but gut feeling is yes.
If it went to court the ticket is evidence.
Personally I would take it up to the local police station. Point out the error and ask them to back down.
PS if they do agree to forget the ticket. Make sure that you
a) have several copies
b) Writen letter signed ( or the ticket back with cancelled & signed )
c) get the officer to write their police number, date, time, signature on the proof thats its been cancelled.
regards
Agriv8
have a word with
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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owelly
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| posted on 25/4/07 at 09:09 PM |
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I didn't get the extra surcharge but the bit that gets me is that if I don't pay up within 28 days, they add 50% and then offer the chance
to pay up. In another 28 days they do the same. Then they take me to court with all the court costs etc...
But the offence is the same one, I've broken the law so I should pay but why does time make the crime worse, if you see what I mean??
It also says on the ticket that if I pay up like a good little tax payer, the plod will 'Take no further action in regard to this
offence'. That's very good of them!!
See how I rant??
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 25/4/07 at 09:14 PM |
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Go to the police station, face the non police officer (police staff) on the front desk and be told no. Anyhow, you only have 21 or 28 days to appeal
and you're well over that now! More seriously though, the ticket would have been noted as being issued in the officers note book which would
back up the correct date, as for the time then its not unlawful to have your watch set wrong its just that the officers is normal time plus 20. I
think you're just wasting your time. Sure you can opt for your day in court but I think you're on a loser there, afterall you were guilty
at the end of the day.
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RazMan
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| posted on 25/4/07 at 09:38 PM |
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I reckon you stand a good chance getting off on the technicality.
SWMBO recently had a run in with Mr Plod who saw her going through a 'no entry' sign (she was dutifully following her satnav's
instructions at the time  ) It turns out she SHOULD have been done for driving in a bus lane (on same junction) which is apparently a more serious
offence. As Mr Plod messed up the paperwork and put the lesser offence on the wrap sheet, she got an apology from the station sargeant and a refund of
the £30 fine!
I don't pretend to understand the logic but I ain't arguing 
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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caber
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| posted on 25/4/07 at 10:04 PM |
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Before you risk the court route find a brief and get some advice, they should know what the situation is on incorrectly filled out tickets, certainly
i have got off incorrectly filled out parking tickets in the past..
Actually as this is actually a hidden tax maybe this out to be refferred to an accountant
Caber
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Avoneer
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| posted on 25/4/07 at 10:56 PM |
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Or more likely, the police will get the ticket amended.
Seen it many times for incorrectly issued summons with mispelt names, not signed statements and wrong date of births.
Speak to a sol...
Pat...
No trees were killed in the sending of this message.
However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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chockymonster
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| posted on 25/4/07 at 11:33 PM |
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Not a chance of getting away with it.
Although the time and date are wrong if it goes to court that will be ignored as the police are allowed slip.
It's to stop hardened criminals getting away on a technicality because mr plod had a brain fart.
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Agriv8
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 07:03 AM |
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So this means that we not allowed an error but the boy in blue are ( dosent seem fair )
Oh well
regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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02GF74
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 07:34 AM |
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who said it was meant to be fair?
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 07:45 AM |
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I've been done twice, fined once for not wearing the seat belt. A bad habbit from driving the busses which didn't have any. After drive
for 8 hrs with out one it felt very distracting putting one on in the car.
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davie h
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 07:50 AM |
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i got done for going through a red light even though i didnt. my front wheels crossed the white line by about 2 foot and i came to a stop and the
lovely traffic police woman gave me 3 points and a £60 fine was asked if i wanted totake it to court but the risk of getting a higher fine and more
points put me off
ps nobody believes this story they all think i went all the way through the junction
[Edited on 26/4/07 by davie h]
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chockymonster
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 08:06 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Agriv8
So this means that we not allowed an error but the boy in blue are ( dosent seem fair )
Oh well
regards
Agriv8
Different sort of errors though, speeding etc are breaking the law, writing the date/time down incorrectly is a mistake.
All that will happen if it goes to court is the CPS will make an application to amend the ticket under the slip rule.
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chockymonster
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 08:07 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by davie h
i got done for going through a red light even though i didnt. my front wheels crossed the white line by about 2 foot and i came to a stop and the
lovely traffic police woman gave me 3 points and a £60 fine was asked if i wanted totake it to court but the risk of getting a higher fine and more
points put me off
ps nobody believes this story they all think i went all the way through the junction
[Edited on 26/4/07 by davie h]
I do believe you, I've done the same but fought it.
You've only made the offence if all 4 wheels have gone over the line
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Neil P
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 09:20 AM |
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I think you are being sidetracked by the error on the ticket. The primary evidence would be the police officer telling the court about the offence and
that they wrote the wrong time and date on the ticket would not count for much. Your defence would surely be the fact that you could not put your belt
on in that situation because of the physical characteristics of the car. It is not unreasonable to drive it to a point where you could put it on. What
else would you do? Push it? Abandon it?
At least its not endorsable, I suppose.
Neil
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zetec7
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 10:39 AM |
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As far as the error on the ticket is concerned, if you went to court you would be asked under oath if you were driving on the date/time/location in
question, as opposed to the one on the face of the ticket. If you say yes, you're done. If you say no, and lie in court, the consequences are
a lot more serious than a ticket.... The police can apply to amend the information on the ticket in court (this kind of error is not generally
considered fatal to the Crown's case). Going to court is unlikely to give you much relief, but possibly much grief
Can you guess what I did for a living for the last three decades? 
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owelly
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 11:22 AM |
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I'll post the cheque off. I have enough happening in my miserable life at the moment without getting hassle off the B&GiB!!
Cheers for the replies/comments etc.
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 11:28 AM |
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quote:
At least its not endorsable, I suppose.
Well not yet but the way things are going soon we'll have to bend over the bonnet and take it up the arse without complaining when we do
something wrong.
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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owelly
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| posted on 26/4/07 at 02:39 PM |
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now you're talking...........
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