DIY Si
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Planning permission
Afternoon all,
Following on from a recent discussion that started about Grand Designs, I have been looking into building a house. I have found a nice little patch of
land that I have yet to find the owner for, but the search continues. However, following a phone call to the local planners, I've been told that
basically they wouldn't give permission for anything, unless I were to go down the essential agriculutal need route, which would involve keeping
some animals on the land that need 24 hour supervision (such as new born cattle/foals etc) for 3 years, and living on site in a caravan of some sort
for those 3 years. After that time, they said the permission would become easier, but is by no means guaranteed.
Anyone got any help/advice on getting permission? Am I as unlikely to get permission as I was told over the phone? I only want a medium size bungalow
or similar!
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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bartonp
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| posted on 6/6/07 at 05:59 PM |
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If you are after planning consent for change of use/agri land then you need to know your way around the local plan for the area - time for some
searches of your local authority's website (council). Or employ a planning consultant.
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worX
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| posted on 6/6/07 at 06:03 PM |
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A ffriend of mine is a (sort of) farmer, and he was going to do the same, after a female friend of his did the same, she was on there for 6or7 years,
so he started looking into it, when she started getting quotes for builders etc, and then found she wasn't allowed - after 7 bliking years in a
caravan - just be sure....
Steve
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ecosse
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| posted on 6/6/07 at 06:24 PM |
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I tried the working the land route years ago, and wasted a lot time and money getting no where with the planning department, even ending up appealing
to the secretary of state (which would actually have succeeded if I hadn't ran out of money first  )
So best advice is to be very wary of any undertaking along those lines, understand that there is no guarantee that you will get planning consent even
after years of effort and fortunes spent, if you have money to spare give it a go, but otherwise think long and hard before commiting
Cheers
Alex
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DIY Si
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| posted on 6/6/07 at 06:36 PM |
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I've had a look round the local (Cherwell) council web site, but the patch of land isn't on any of the plans that I can see, as it's
too far from the nearest village. I have no intention of working a bit of land for 3 or more years unless I really, really have to, as I don't
have the time, money or at the moment, the inclination to do so. I was mainly wanting to find out if planning permission is unlikely as I was told,
and if so, what may make it more likely to be granted.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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iank
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| posted on 6/6/07 at 07:05 PM |
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I'd give up on getting agricultural land via a change of use. They have really been cracking down on that since some sharp talking
conmen/companies started buying up fields at agri land prices and then selling on 'plots' to people with the promise they would be able to
convert at some unspecified point.
There should be a map in the local planning office showing where at the edges of the village they are considering allowing building, but some villages
don't have any.
You could try looking on here http://www.plotfinder.net/ to see how much plots are going for in your area.
It will be massively more expensive than agricultural land though.
--
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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joneh
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| posted on 6/6/07 at 07:29 PM |
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Become an MP. I had a friend who tried to get planning on a plot of land behind his house for 30 years. He gave up and sold his house to an MP, who
got permission in 3 months.
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DIY Si
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| posted on 6/6/07 at 07:58 PM |
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Ar$e. I really like the location I've found too! Any hints/tips on what sort of land to look for? I don't want to build in or too near
to any towns, as I'm most definitely a country lad! Also, the missus wants enough space to have a horse or two in the future!
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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DavidM
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| posted on 6/6/07 at 08:03 PM |
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If the land has an agricultural restriction, and you want to get it lifted, you have to be able to demonstrate that the land is no longer economically
viable for agriculture. That's why you have to work the land for a reasonable period of time. Your idea of economic viability and the planning
authority's may not be the same, so it still may not get lifted.
If it is lifted it still doesn't mean you would get permission for what you wanted to do.
Unless, during initial discussions, the planning authority said "in principle there would be a good chance of you getting permission for that on
that site", I'd steer clear.
David
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DIY Si
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| posted on 6/6/07 at 08:09 PM |
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The field isn't currently, and to the best of my knowledge, not been used in recent years. It's currently a meadow/set aside and too small
to bother cropping. The only agricultural use would be grazing a very, very small herd of dwarf goats!  Or a few horses. The field is, assuming my
paces are all 1 yard long, 1.05 acres and surrounded by fields which are being farmed for crops.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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JoelP
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| posted on 6/6/07 at 08:31 PM |
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there are several books by the title 'how to get planning permission', should be listed here:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_b/026-9346687-6620402?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=how+to++planning+permission
Ive not read them but was recommended them, apparently its a bible.
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DIY Si
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| posted on 6/6/07 at 08:55 PM |
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Duly ordered for a fiver!
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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smart51
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| posted on 6/6/07 at 09:49 PM |
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My in-laws are farmers and have a bungalow built on the farm. It is only allowed to be used by farm workers or their guests. No paying visitors
allowed.
Even if you get planning permission after tending a flock and living in a caravan for years, it may have conditions.
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DIY Si
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| posted on 6/6/07 at 11:07 PM |
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Just having guests is all I intend to do! It'd a home to raise a family in, and then live in for (hopefully) many years to come.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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worX
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| posted on 6/6/07 at 11:51 PM |
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just to second something above - another of my (farmers) friends has been told that no matter what, becaise of the way he ontained his property, he
was in no way allowed to sell it on, so the only change of ownership could come after he passed away!
Steve
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DIY Si
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| posted on 7/6/07 at 07:31 PM |
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Right, I have now spoken to the 3 local planning authorities to get there respective views on things. Cherwell Council appear to be a bunch of
miserable kill joys! The old bag I spoke to there was trying her best to get me to bu$&^r off and stop hassling her. At the end she even said
I'd just have to save up and buy a house like everyone else! I wouldn't mind, but I already own my house, thank you very much!  Anyway,
Stratford have managed to use up all of their official housing allowance until 2011 already, so that puts them out of the picture, which is a shame as
the woman was really helpful and seemed quite sorry they'd used all the houses up! Daventry council, on the down side, said new builds are
basically forbidden in most of the areas round here. They did though seem fairly keen on conversions. So I just need to find somewhere, which I may
have done already! God I love having a nice lazy job, so I can go wondering over the local footpaths and fields in search of a nice barn!
After all that, comes another question! Anyone know much about the conversion planning process? I know you have to market the property for
commercial/business use, but I don't know how extensively, or for how long. After that period, and assuming the place isn't listed, how
difficult is it to change basic things? Or does listed status make things a bit easier? IE the place has to be preserved, even if it is as a house.
Sorry for all the questions, but the web searches have proved less than fantastically helpful!
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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