I love speed :-P
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Big brother is watching even more...
click me
Don't Steal
The Government doesn’t like the competition
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smart51
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| posted on 1/10/07 at 09:20 AM |
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How long before we're like Burma or other places?
I like the Brazilian guy's comments. If you don't like the current government's actions, don't vote for them.
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DIY Si
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| posted on 1/10/07 at 09:26 AM |
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What the sodding hell do the food standards people need access to my phone calls for??!!! In principal I agree with it, but not at the widespread
level it's been introduced at. Yet another stupid decision by our idiotic gov't!
As for the Brazilian's response, would voting in any other party actually make a difference any more?
[Edited on 1/10/07 by DIY Si]
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JAG
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| posted on 1/10/07 at 10:08 AM |
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It's a f#@king cheek if you ask me.
This country will become a Police state if we don't have some balanced response to the terrorist threat.
The current Gov't seem to think the way to keep us all safe is to lock us all up (in our own homes) and keep tabs on everything we do.
I always thought that was what you did to the bad guys 
Justin
Who is this super hero? Sarge? ...No.
Rosemary, the telephone operator? ...No.
Penry, the mild-mannered janitor? ...Could be!
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graememk
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| posted on 1/10/07 at 10:28 AM |
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Files will also be kept on the sending and receipt of text messages.
what if you have a unregistered payt sim card ?
whats to stop you as a terrorist registering your sim to a made up name ?
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iank
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| posted on 1/10/07 at 10:34 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by graememk
Files will also be kept on the sending and receipt of text messages.
what if you have a unregistered payt sim card ?
whats to stop you as a terrorist registering your sim to a made up name ?
Nothing, that's why it is (as is so often the case) a PR exercise and noses in the trough for the companies that get to administer the huge
database.
The original quote is about government you deserve comes from Benjamin Franklin IIRC.
Another classic from him is "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor
Safety."
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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02GF74
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| posted on 1/10/07 at 11:51 AM |
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I have written to Downing street asking them to install surveillance equipment in my house, except the toilet, obvioulsy as well as tagging myself,
my family and cat is it will stop terrorrism.
it is not the contents of the phone calls just information about them:
quote:
Records will detail precisely what calls are made, their time and duration, and the name and address of the registered user of the
phone.
So just use the post; until they start opening letters.
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 1/10/07 at 12:03 PM |
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So no doubt millions of pounds will be spent on this - and anyone can get around it simply by using a Pay As You Go mobile??
Am I being a bit slow today or is this correct??
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russbost
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| posted on 1/10/07 at 12:37 PM |
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It is the same sort of situation as the car tax dodgers "the DVLA computer knows where your car is etc" - only the pikey scumbags that
avoid paying car tax just don't register the car to themselves when they buy it, hence no parking tickets, speedcam fines etc. Buying a PAYG
handset with a false name & address for cash would work in exactly the same way.
In other words they can keep an eye on all the honest, law abiding citizens whilst the scumbags do what they like.
Personally i'm all for a national compulsory database of DNA, then we'll know who's done what apart from the illegal immigrants who
won't exist.
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 1/10/07 at 01:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
I have written to Downing street asking them to install surveillance equipment in my house, except the toilet, obvioulsy as well as tagging myself,
my family and cat is it will stop terrorrism.
it is not the contents of the phone calls just information about them:
quote:
Records will detail precisely what calls are made, their time and duration, and the name and address of the registered user of the
phone.
So just use the post; until they start opening letters.
The reason it does not cover content, is that they have been monitoring the content of every telephone call, cell phone call, text message and e-mail
for years.
'Ah but', I hear you cry 'it is illegal for the government to spy on it's own citizens'.
Correct, that is why we have a reciprocal arrangement with other governments.
We spy on there's and they spy on ours. Then they all swap information.
At the last count, the CIA had nine (yes 9!) acres of Cray 2 super computers at Langley. So not so impossible.
Big brother isn't comming, he has been here for years.
And the UK has always been a police state. You just didn't realise it.
It is impossible for any government to function effectively if it abides by it's own laws!
[Edited on 1/10/07 by Confused but excited.]
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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JAG
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| posted on 1/10/07 at 01:22 PM |
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keep an eye on all the honest, law abiding citizens whilst the scumbags do what they like
Doesn't this also apply to the DNA database?
It's just another way to keep an eye on the honest whilst the criminals will dodge being registered in the first place
None of this crap really works it just LOOKS like it does - that's why Gov't likes them.
quote:
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
I don't know this Benjamin Franklin fella   but I like the cut of his jib 
Justin
Who is this super hero? Sarge? ...No.
Rosemary, the telephone operator? ...No.
Penry, the mild-mannered janitor? ...Could be!
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TGR-ECOSSE
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| posted on 1/10/07 at 02:42 PM |
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The reason it does not cover content, is that they have been monitoring the content of every telephone call, cell phone call, text message and e-mail
for years.
'Ah but', I hear you cry 'it is illegal for the government to spy on it's own citizens'.
Correct, that is why we have a reciprocal arrangement with other governments.
We spy on there's and they spy on ours. Then they all swap information.
At the last count, the CIA had nine (yes 9!) acres of Cray 2 super computers at Langley. So not so impossible.
Big brother isn't comming, he has been here for years.
And the UK has always been a police state. You just didn't realise it.
It is impossible for any government to function effectively if it abides by it's own laws!
[Edited on 1/10/07 by Confused but excited.]
Its true!! Texts and emails are monitored and they are set to pick up certain words and phrases. Can't tell you how i know
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JUD
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| posted on 2/10/07 at 06:47 AM |
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All this has been happening for ages.
Phones have been used to track terrorists, criminals, disaster victims etc for ages. They even have historic data of the cells you have worked thru so
that they can then track who else is in your vicinity - that way the authorities build models of associative relations - i.e. who is where and with
whom. From this they can detect patterns of association and identify people associating with known targets, potentially identifying new threats.
Registering a phone in a different name won't defend you, they have other ways of working out who you really are.
When buses/trains etc get blown up or crash they use the phone signatures to identify who was on it. That way they can try to identify people whose
remains (if there are any) are beyond normal means of identification.
Interesting that they choose to let us know that they "intend to have the capability". I guess that must mean they are going to start to
use the data in prosecutions, and as such have to make it public that this is a capability at their disposal.
I find it amusing that we all get worked up about these things when we "know" about them. You can guarantee the authorities have such
capabilities and far more than we know about.
Perhaps ignorance truly is bliss.
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JUD
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| posted on 4/10/07 at 10:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TGR-ECOSSE
Its true!! Texts and emails are monitored and they are set to pick up certain words and phrases. Can't tell you how i know
Ask the guys at GCHQ...
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