02GF74
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 posted on 12/10/07 at 12:34 PM |
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mesh security glass
firdtly I don't know what this stuff is called so kinda hard to google it and not seen it around for quite some time.
basically is it a wire mesh, about 1 cm square insdie glass sheet that is used for glazing doors e.g. schools.
What is it called and is it easily available?
I wpould loike to fit a door to seal off my unfeasibly large garage but wantto let some light in, ideally in a locost manner.
The door way is wider than normal but mcuh smaller so finding an off the shelf door that'll fit is unlikely.
Is there anything else I can use?
Needs to be secure, let light in but not air tight, with provision for a cat flag.
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Guinness
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 12:41 PM |
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Georgian Wired Glass.
HTH
Mike
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Guinness
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 12:43 PM |
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Forgot to say, you can get it polished (so you can see through it) or cast (opaque like a bathroom window).
HTH
Mike
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02GF74
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 12:45 PM |
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thanks for that - is it the right thing for what I want to do ? i.e. secure.
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BenB
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 12:49 PM |
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It's not very secure!!!
The wires are pretty thin- the main idea is to stop big fragments from falling off if the glass gets smashed by someone falling against it etc.
Stops a casual smash + grab but not much else.
You really want strengthened laminated glass.... but it costs.
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02GF74
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 12:51 PM |
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thanks once more - been thinking about it - some DG patio doors may do if low enough, after all that is what would need to be broken to get into the
house and this is a garage after all...
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BenB
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 12:56 PM |
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A standard door would work with some B+Q best mild rods welded up into a grid pattern behind....
What's buildings regs re garage doors- do they have to open out? If so the hinges will be external and it'll also be worth fitting
anti-jack bolts to the hinge line. Otherwise they just chisel off the hinge bolts and open the door the wrong way 
Patio door would be okay!! Pretty secure....
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graememk
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 01:00 PM |
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when my garage was broken into they carm armed with a railway sleeper on ropes and used it as a bettering ram acording to the police.
nice, lucky for me my mk was in my uncles garage for a few weeks whilst i fitted the engine.
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caber
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 01:09 PM |
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Patio doors are not secure! When I was in london they broke into mine by holding a carpet agains them and smashing the glass. If PVC the can then
lever them past the locks as it is the glass that keeps them square! small panes of georgian wired in a heavy frame is OK as long as they cannot break
out the frame or squeeze through the holes, remember its kids most of the time!
Weldmesh as used for reinforced concrete is good, cover the entire back of the garage doors and make sure the locks are engaged with it, prefferably
on big steel plates welded to the mesh.
Ultimately if they want to get in they willso a tray of battery acid or some unprotected live wires left within the door " by accident"
may also help get them!
Caber
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BenB
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 01:13 PM |
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I'm paranoid....
I've got three sirens, two strobes (one internal and one external) and a smoke generating protection device to fill the garage with smelly
non-toxic cloud of smoke...
I've stood in there with the sirens and strobes going and it's pretty unpleasant... I didn't install the 100W ultrasound (22Khz)....
I've also got a f'off big bike lock which locks the rear of the car to a eyelet concreted into the floor....
Jobs a 'good un (until I forget my alarm IR blipper!!!)...
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 01:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenB
I'm paranoid....
I've got three sirens, two strobes (one internal and one external) and a smoke generating protection device to fill the garage with smelly
non-toxic cloud of smoke...
You forgot to mention the motion sensing automatic sub machine guns - or were you keeping quiet about them Ben??? 
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graememk
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 01:43 PM |
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so do you live in a good area ?
quote:
Originally posted by BenB
I'm paranoid....
I've got three sirens, two strobes (one internal and one external) and a smoke generating protection device to fill the garage with smelly
non-toxic cloud of smoke...
I've stood in there with the sirens and strobes going and it's pretty unpleasant... I didn't install the 100W ultrasound (22Khz)....
I've also got a f'off big bike lock which locks the rear of the car to a eyelet concreted into the floor....
Jobs a 'good un (until I forget my alarm IR blipper!!!)...
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BenB
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 02:13 PM |
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The machine guns have been on back order for a while 
I live in a good area (that's the problem!)- I know for a fact those garages have been broken into in the past. Infact, there's a hole in
the wall (now bricked up again) between my garage and the one next to it where it looks like someone has smashed through the wall to get into my
garage from the unused one next door!!!! Admittidly, this seems a strange thing to do when the doors aren't that secure but I can't
imagine why else there'd be a 5 foot tall, 2 foot wide hole in a garage wall at floor level....
I think the smoke generation doodah was overkill but hey- it was a rainy day and I'd got all the necessary stuff lying around...
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BenB
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 02:15 PM |
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Though after reading
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/7041059.stm
maybe it's not such a good idea....
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Duncan_P
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 02:58 PM |
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If your custom making the door could you fit an old double glazed pane into it? I know they are not totally secure but if it was higher up on the
door and not massive they would stuggle to break it.
You do sometimes see old double glazed windows lying around at the tip....so could be a 'locost' option
[Edited on 12/10/07 by Duncan_P]
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 03:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenB
It's not very secure!!!
The wires are pretty thin- the main idea is to stop big fragments from falling off if the glass gets smashed by someone falling against it etc.
Stops a casual smash + grab but not much else.
You really want strengthened laminated glass.... but it costs.
Wrong!
A popular misconception.
Geogian wired glass is NOT a security product. It is intended for use in fire doors, so that if the glass cracks with heat it still retains some
integrity, to stop the fire spreading through the window opening in the door.
It takes very little physical effort to smash it.
As stated though, laminated glass or Lexan (polycarbonate) is favouite if you don't want unsightly bars/mesh.
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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andylancaster3000
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| posted on 12/10/07 at 05:11 PM |
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The mesh glass is very good at stopping your head going through it though, as I found out many years ago in school....
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