speedyxjs
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 posted on 22/2/08 at 03:47 PM |
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Veggie oil fuel
I brought the auto express magazine today (1000th issue  ) and inside there was a section about how to spend £1000. One of the options was the
cooking oil converter.
I showed my dad (he is the boss after all  ) to try and convince him but apparently he heard that over time it can ruin the engine.
I, a petrolhead, has never heard this before. Is it true?
I wouldnt normally bother asking but this is a chance to save us 50p per litre when we go through 500 pw.
Also if anyone has an issue there, can you post the website for the company cos i want to look and left mine at work 
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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zilspeed
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| posted on 22/2/08 at 04:02 PM |
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Where can you buy veggie oil at ten bob a litre ?
The supermarkets have certainly cranked their prices since the relaxation of the duty rules on road fuel.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 22/2/08 at 04:02 PM |
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This lot here were going on about how they were running their diesel cars on cooking oil with no bother, mixing it a bit with straight diesel. No
converter is necessary and I'd be trying it in my JCB.
I was going to use a supplier for chip shops and the like as they won't be so gready as the supermarkets.
[Edited on 22/2/08 by Mr Whippy]
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 22/2/08 at 04:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
Where can you buy veggie oil at ten bob a litre ?
Get a deal with local chippy?
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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novacaine
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| posted on 22/2/08 at 04:27 PM |
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if its an old diesel, no problem, chuck it in and enjoy a cheap way of driving,
however if its a new(ish) diesel, then the cooking oil can break injection pumps very often, and i speak from experience here, injection pumps are
horrible things to replace, (ok it was possibly worse on a movano than on a normal car)
if you want cheap fuel for a new(ish) diesel engine, have a look at making your own biodiesel....
you can then go and laugh at the green people when the criticise you for using your car 
And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but its sinking, Racing around to come up behind you again, the sun is the same in a relative way but
your older, shorter of breath and one day closer to death
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peterparsons
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| posted on 22/2/08 at 04:41 PM |
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Yep, I use it in my old Land Rover. I mix it 50:50 with diesel - runs fine with no issues, smells a bit sweeter to.
Just went through it's MOT with no issues.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 22/2/08 at 05:00 PM |
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I had a mate who had a bio plant for his wagon yard (may still have it). He was buying waste chip oil. Worked great but a couple of times there was
animal oil in the drums which shagged the job up somewhat. Plant needed big clean down and wagons stopped. The key is getting a good reliable
supply.
He stopped using it after a while.
I understand there is a difference between usingstraight veggie oil as a fuel and making bio diesel.
Dont forget to declare the duty if you use over a certain amount.
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 22/2/08 at 05:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by novacaine
if its an old diesel, no problem, chuck it in and enjoy a cheap way of driving,
however if its a new(ish) diesel, then the cooking oil can break injection pumps very often, and i speak from experience here, injection pumps are
horrible things to replace, (ok it was possibly worse on a movano than on a normal car)
if you want cheap fuel for a new(ish) diesel engine, have a look at making your own biodiesel....
you can then go and laugh at the green people when the criticise you for using your car
According to the magazine, it is biodeisel. It is for our work vans, hence i have to convince my dad. The oldest van we have is 8yrs and the youngest
6 months
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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Bigheppy
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| posted on 22/2/08 at 05:20 PM |
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I used to repair petrol pumps and found that cooking oil wore out standard pump units in less that 2 months normally they last for years. The filters
clogged so badly the owners removed them so all the debris went straight into the veichles fuel tank. In cold weather it thickened like diesel used to
because addatives to stop it were too expensive. I WOULDNT TOUCH IT WITH A BARGE POLE. Bio diesel from major manufacturers are reasonably good but it
may invalidate any warranty. The fuel filters will need to be changed frequently and some vehicles suffer from water being detected in the fuel.
Some one I know got some from a 'BAD BATCH' it completly blocked the fuel pipes, filters, pump and injectors. It cost £700 to strip
replace clean the fuel system. The garage closed down shortly after this and many more of the same. Only some people were compensated
[Edited on 22/2/08 by Bigheppy]
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indykid
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| posted on 22/2/08 at 05:24 PM |
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have a look at greenfuels. they do the fuel pod that was on 5th gear.
afaik, it makes DIN standard diesel fuel like their bigger plants.
i've spent the last 12 weeks working on an enterprise project to set up a biodiesel company so i've been through all the legislation and
crap. it's brilliant fun..........i'd best get a good mark!
anyway, the cap for duty is 2500litres. after that you need a permit to produce and owe the government 28.35pence per litre. i can't fathom how
they'd know when you've made 2500 litres though.
the main problem with straight veg oil is the viscosity and the glycerin. the main problem with crap biodiesel is the methanol. a proper plant will
remove the methanol and glycerin though and the fuel pod 2 even auto titrates the mixture so it gets dosed correctly with methylate.
there's good money to be made if you can get the waste oil for free. of the chips shops i spoke to, all have organised collection services, but
a couple said if you can offer a better service, come have a word.
tom
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indykid
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| posted on 22/2/08 at 05:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Bigheppy
I used to repair petrol pumps and found that cooking oil wore out standard pump units in less that 2 months normally they last for years. The filters
clogged so badly the owners removed them so all the debris went straight into the veichles fuel tank. In cold weather it thickened like diesel used to
because addatives to stop it were too expensive. I WOULDNT TOUCH IT WITH A BARGE POLE. Bio diesel from major manufacturers are reasonably good but it
may invalidate any warranty. The fuel filters will need to be changed frequently and some vehicles suffer from water being detected in the fuel.
biodiesel has better lubricity than mineral diesel, and scania and VW honour warranties for vehicles run on 100% biodiesel. citroen and peugeot up to
30%
so many people seem to confuse biodiesel with straight veg oil. it's like comparing a car to a lump of old iron
tom
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Omni
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| posted on 22/2/08 at 05:29 PM |
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Here is a good site DieselVeg
and using this calc it has made me wanna buy a diesel and do it 
Calc
What a saving!!!!!
O
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zilspeed
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| posted on 22/2/08 at 05:33 PM |
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LPG is so much simpler.
Fill up at Morrisons. (49.9p / litre)
Drive.
Repeat as required.
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Bigheppy
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| posted on 22/2/08 at 05:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by indykid
quote:
Originally posted by Bigheppy
I used to repair petrol pumps and found that cooking oil wore out standard pump units in less that 2 months normally they last for years. The filters
clogged so badly the owners removed them so all the debris went straight into the veichles fuel tank. In cold weather it thickened like diesel used to
because addatives to stop it were too expensive. I WOULDNT TOUCH IT WITH A BARGE POLE. Bio diesel from major manufacturers are reasonably good but it
may invalidate any warranty. The fuel filters will need to be changed frequently and some vehicles suffer from water being detected in the fuel.
biodiesel has better lubricity than mineral diesel, and scania and VW honour warranties for vehicles run on 100% biodiesel. citroen and peugeot up to
30%
so many people seem to confuse biodiesel with straight veg oil. it's like comparing a car to a lump of old iron
tom
Your comment is true but how many forecourts advertise what their bio fuel is made from. Legally all they have to display is the B.S. number, as I
said the larger suppliers have a reputation to protect so the bio they sell will be of a good quality. Some of the smaller suppliers, who sell chip
fat, dont seem to care what they sell. This is from my first hand experience. 
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 22/2/08 at 07:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
LPG is so much simpler.
Fill up at Morrisons. (49.9p / litre)
Drive.
Repeat as required.
I can't find a kit for replacing my carbs (most of my cars use them) and all kits look like there over £1000, which is ridiculous
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zilspeed
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| posted on 22/2/08 at 07:50 PM |
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My kit was 400 quid - plus the tank.
That's for sequential injection.
Have you tried tinleytech ?
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