graememk
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 09:57 AM |
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Accident advice
just been reading on another forum i use and whilst giving my advice there i thought i would remind you lot.
how many times have you been in a accident where the other person has lied to try and get out of paying ......
my old boss told me one day he always has adisposable camera in the glove box, they cost less than £5 and shows in true whats happend.
its saved my arse a few times.
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coozer
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 10:01 AM |
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I like to carry a camera as well but my last accident left me unconscious for 20 mins so not much help!
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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andylancaster3000
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 10:11 AM |
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Also another good reason for camera phones. But of course, it wasn't on while I was driving officer!
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graememk
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 10:21 AM |
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camera phone, digital camera all good but a disposable camera works without batteries and has a flash and works straight out of a packet where as
digial cameras and camera phones arnt just point and shoot.
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ruskino80
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 10:56 AM |
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somewhat o/t here but i recently bought a disposable camera to take some pics for the insurance on the kit car-my god in good clear conditions outside
at midday,the photos i got back once developed were worse than useless my bright orange car had become a dull red and they were all un unusable.
however a good point and much better than nothing in the glove box
now all i need is a camera that will automatically snap pics of the thieving scrote who smashed my window and had off with my radio(worthless ford
unit!!!)
also mobiles tend to have voice recorders on them now how about recording the talk after an accident-------illegal/inadmissable?????
[Edited on 24/3/08 by ruskino80]
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Rek
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 11:14 AM |
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After a guy reversed into the wife's car, and lied about it. I wondered about putting a small looping recorder in. Ive noticed them on ebay for
30-40 quid now, that record to a sd card.
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phoenix70
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 11:21 AM |
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The problem with these disposable cameras, is they have an expiry date. We got issued an accident pack with our company cars, that contained
everything needed to record an incident, including a camera, a pen and some forms for noting witnesses addresses and for sketching the layout. Never
had to use it myself yet, but I remember looking at the camera once and finding it was out of date by a year or so.
I always wonder if I had tried to take pictures with it, would they have come out at all.
[Edited on 24/3/08 by phoenix70]
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big_wasa
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 11:44 AM |
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Hmm I got screwed 
22 years old driving a mint xr3i towing a huge trailer. ( moving house).
The local Pikey in a flash range rover comes around the corner on a wet road at about 50mph an touches the brakes.
straight into the side of me car was 6" narrower and ccompletly riped the front corner of the landrover.
Out come was they lied, I was 22 and in an xr3i and I lost the lott
life is a bitch and all that 
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nitram38
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 11:53 AM |
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After two experiences of lying b*stards, I have a permenant bullet cam and small sd dvr recorder running in my car windscreen.
It has a 2gb card which overwrites it'self after it is full.
I was recently cut up and abused by a single decker bus driver.
I got video of him trying to push my out onto oncoming traffic on a closing inside lane plus giving me the finger.
I told the bus company who after reviewing my video and the onboard bus video, sacked him.
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eznfrank
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 11:55 AM |
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In terms of making voice or video recordings covert or otherwise, in my opinion this would be perfectly legal and would be admissable as evidence in a
civil claim, however, succesfully operating this type of equipment especially at short notice and getting useable results is not easy by any stretch.
On a technicality an insurer could (although probably wouldn't) actually refuse to deal with their clients claim if he has admitted liability
(as most insurers have a condition in the contract stating that you must not admit liability regardless of circumstances) and whilst they would still
have to deal with yours under the Road Traffic Act it could make it a bit tricky if their client is no longer co-operating (which he won't be if
they told him he can't claim)
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ruskino80
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 12:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
After two experiences of lying b*stards, I have a permenant bullet cam and small sd dvr recorder running in my car windscreen.
It has a 2gb card which overwrites it'self after it is full.
I was recently cut up and abused by a single decker bus driver.
could you give us a bit more detail on this system of yours.sounds great and seems to be fit and forget?
[Edited on 24/3/08 by ruskino80]
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nitram38
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 12:05 PM |
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As I said, my set up is permenantly on. It starts recording as soon as I turn the ignition on. I never have to touch it other than removing the sd
card to playback on my PC after an incident.
It also seems to shut up abusive drivers in london, when I tell them to smile for the video! 
It is just a standard 12v colour bullet cam with an AV output. (mic can be added)
The DVR recorder is a small box with an sd card.
Camera about £50
DVR about £160
SD card about £10
Bought these items on ebay.
You can now buy similar recorders for about £60 on ebay:
The quality is not good enough for high end video, but it is clear enough to show people jumping red lights and such.
[Edited on 24/3/2008 by nitram38]
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 02:24 PM |
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Thanks that’s precisely the kind of system I want installed in my cars. I hear you get a discount off the insurance for having a camera system. When I
drove the busses it was all recorded and found it great for settling arguments. I even had a car back into my stationary bus and out pops a policeman
and his wife (off duty) who started claiming I drove into them! I waited till the police came and took there statements, then pointed to the camera on
the side of the bus er what did you say again exactly....love it!
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 03:33 PM |
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Thats a good idea but you can get digital cameras for less than £5 nowadays 
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nitram38
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 04:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs
Thats a good idea but you can get digital cameras for less than £5 nowadays
That maybe so, but a stills camera can only show the results of an accident. It can't show you the events leading up to it.
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Paradoxia0
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 05:49 PM |
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On the subject of recording conversations etc. IIRC in a "call centre" type environment you only need to have the permission/knowledge of
1 party - and that would be you
Mark
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eznfrank
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 06:49 PM |
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Call centres are different as you are recording from a phone line and as such as long as you're the bill payer you can in effect grant
permission. Recording in an open environment requires no permission from either party.
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02GF74
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| posted on 25/3/08 at 08:28 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs
Thats a good idea but you can get digital cameras for less than £5 nowadays
That maybe so, but a stills camera can only show the results of an accident. It can't show you the events leading up to it.
I'm sure you could find one that does video for £ 50 or less.
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nitram38
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| posted on 25/3/08 at 08:49 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs
Thats a good idea but you can get digital cameras for less than £5 nowadays
That maybe so, but a stills camera can only show the results of an accident. It can't show you the events leading up to it.
I'm sure you could find one that does video for £ 50 or less.
That does continious loop recordings, without having to delete everything and starts recording everything you drive?
I doubt it.
You are looking at around £100-£150 for a bullet cam and DVR recorder
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