blakep82
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 05:40 PM |
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Originally posted by DIY Si
Quite glad I'm thinking of doing my bike test! No front number plate as standard! 
ha ha, for now watch that change in the next year or so
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iank
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 06:06 PM |
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Originally posted by tegwin
If there is no risk/reward strructure to life, and simply a "path to follow", WHAT THE F*CK IS THE POINT!!!!!!!!
You'd almost think that someone was using 1984 as a manual wouldn't you. 
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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DIY Si
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 06:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
Quite glad I'm thinking of doing my bike test! No front number plate as standard!
ha ha, for now watch that change in the next year or so
Given that they removed them as they kept chopping people up, it might take quite a while!
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 06:41 PM |
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At this rate they will be renaming 2009, year zero. We really are entering a police state type society.
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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blakep82
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 06:45 PM |
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i wonder if it could be protested, on the groungs that all the electic it needs to run the whole system and all the computers and everthing
wouldn't be very 'green' and against what the government are trying to force everyone to acheive
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 06:47 PM |
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Originally posted by carpmart
Lost all interest in this country now. Seriously looking at how I can go self employed (opt out of PAYE by setting myself up as a company) get my
employer to pay me gross via me submitting an invoice once per month and vote with my pounds. I am sure with a good 'creative' accountant
I can halve the amount of money I pay in tax.
Just do a google for "IR35" - then you will be depressed... 
To summarise - self-employed people often end up paying even more tax and extra NI when compared to a PAYE employee.
Oh - and you have to pay someone to look after your accounts each year (unless you have an accountant or book-keeper in the family) and you will
probably have to deal with both the Inland Revenue and Customs and Excise (now the same firm). If you think the police have too much power, just try
Customs and Excise!
It's the main reason why I stopped being a self-employed contractor.
[Edited on 16/4/08 by David Jenkins]
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 06:52 PM |
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Originally posted by smart51The advantage is that you don't get muppets standing on their brakes when approaching static speed
cameras,
Having previously lived in Nottingham for a few years which was one of the first places to get the average spped cameras i would have to say you do
get people jumping on the brakes still - and because you know they are average speed cameras it comes unexpected when they do!! I hate the things -
people concentrate so hard on the speedo that they dont pay so much attention to the road. Saw a few rear end shunts caused indirectly by the
cameras!!
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carpmart
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 06:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
quote:
Originally posted by carpmart
Lost all interest in this country now. Seriously looking at how I can go self employed (opt out of PAYE by setting myself up as a company) get my
employer to pay me gross via me submitting an invoice once per month and vote with my pounds. I am sure with a good 'creative' accountant
I can halve the amount of money I pay in tax.
Just do a google for "IR35" - then you will be depressed...
To summarise - self-employed people often end up paying even more tax and extra NI when compared to a PAYE employee.
Oh - and you have to pay someone to look after your accounts each year (unless you have an accountant or book-keeper in the family) and you will
probably have to deal with both the Inland Revenue and Customs and Excise (now the same firm). If you think the police have too much power, just try
Customs and Excise!
It's the main reason why I stopped being a self-employed contractor.
[Edited on 16/4/08 by David Jenkins]
You see - you haven't cheered me up any there!
You only live once - make the most of it!
Radical Clubsport, Kwaker motor
'94 MX5 MK1, 1.8
F10 M5 - 600bhp Daily Hack 
Range Rover Sport - Wife's Car
Mercedes A class - Son's Car
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andy o
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 07:11 PM |
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i don't suppose it will be long before they do away with penalty points and instead just send you a bill every month for your speeding/toll
fees/road tax etc!!!!
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turbodisplay
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 07:29 PM |
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One legal point I dont get with average speed cameras. What if you were to swap drivers between entering and leaving, with an averaged speed of 37 in
a 30, who would get the points the first driver or the second driver or both or none.
If these cameras tracked your journey over a few miles it could be a possible defense.
Darren
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Triton
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 08:32 PM |
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gaffer tape at midnight helps "allegedly"
My Daughter has taken over production of the damn fine Triton race seats and her contact email is emmatrs@live.co.uk.
www.tritonraceseats.com
www.hairyhedgehog.com
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DorsetStrider
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 08:51 PM |
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NEWSFLASH!!!
Our beloved leader Mr Brown has announced plans to establish a new Ministry Of Truth.
Seriously though I was watching a police camera action type program the other night (I was bored). The program had obviously been edited to show the
scum and hassell the police have to put up with... But the overwhelming impression I got from the program was that the police can do whatever the hell
they like and there's nothing you can do about it.
They gave 1 chap a £50 ticket for peeing against a wall, the bloke admitted it was wrong but asked the officer where the nearest public loo that is
unlocked is.... "7 miles away" was the answer. So the local council has locked all the loos then the police issue tickets to anyone they
catch answering the call of nature! Does that strike anyone else that this is profiteering? To say nothing of fraud (tax payers pay for certain
ammenities/services.... ammenities/services that the local council is failing to provide.
This country and government stinks to high heaven... I'm now ASHAMED to call myself british!
Who the f**K tightened this up!
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smart51
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 09:16 PM |
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Originally posted by turbodisplay
One legal point I dont get with average speed cameras. What if you were to swap drivers between entering and leaving, with an averaged speed of 37 in
a 30, who would get the points the first driver or the second driver or both or none.
If these cameras tracked your journey over a few miles it could be a possible defence.
Darren
to do an average speed over the limit including a stop for a driver change would need some explaining.
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caber
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 09:34 PM |
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I believe that they can't do you if you are not in the same lane for both sets of cameras. I ALWAYS change lanes between cameras just in the
off chance it works!
Caber
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blakep82
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 09:46 PM |
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Originally posted by caber
I believe that they can't do you if you are not in the same lane for both sets of cameras. I ALWAYS change lanes between cameras just in the
off chance it works!
Caber
me too  and give the finger to both of them
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Schrodinger
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 09:55 PM |
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Originally posted by blakep82
quote:
Originally posted by caber
I believe that they can't do you if you are not in the same lane for both sets of cameras. I ALWAYS change lanes between cameras just in the
off chance it works!
Caber
me too and give the finger to both of them
You obviously didn't read the article as it said it can track you even if you change lanes
Keith
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blakep82
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 09:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Schrodinger
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
quote:
Originally posted by caber
I believe that they can't do you if you are not in the same lane for both sets of cameras. I ALWAYS change lanes between cameras just in the
off chance it works!
Caber
me too and give the finger to both of them
You obviously didn't read the article as it said it can track you even if you change lanes
nah, thats true. i didn't read it. i don't do reading
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 10:19 PM |
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You all realise that your posts are being monitored by Big Brother and that you are now deemed anarchists and enemies of the state prepare to be
charged with treason
If you look outside the window their coming for you
Hope you like orange
Obviously I’m really screwed for suggesting blowing up parliament…
Who's that at the door??? 
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RK
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 12:51 AM |
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Mr Whippy, whose real name is Guy Fawkes... well, now we know.
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Guinness
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 06:36 AM |
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02GF74
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 08:52 AM |
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oooh 5 pages!!! didn't think this wold be taht controversial.
As someone said earlier, if you don't speed, then what is the problem?
Realistically it is fair to say that there probably is a handful of motorists in the UK who have never exceed the speed limit.
It is ridiculous to expect that with the performance of cars today - i.e. handling and speed, not to mention thesaftey devices.
the problem I have is being monitored in anticipation of a crime I have not yet commited. roadside speed cameras are not so bad providing you can see
the warning signs and have time to slam on the brakes.
Another way of looking at it is that since only average speed is measured, providing you you know the two points, you can hammer along at 100 mph then
stop for a 5 minute kip before you reach the next monitoriinbg point. I doubt that is realistic if these cameras are spaced so closely together as
they are on the M42 for example.
As for protesting, has this made any difference in the past? The only way is via the ballot box but who is to say the other shower will be any
better?
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