Mr G
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| posted on 18/6/09 at 11:24 PM |
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They called Mosley's Bluff then.
Only Williams, Force India and the 3 new
teams rattling round the track for 2010 it seems.
The break away championship could be very interesting 
[Edited on 18/6/09 by Mr G]
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blakep82
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| posted on 18/6/09 at 11:43 PM |
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mosely will back down. he can't afford to lose all the others.
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Steve G
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| posted on 18/6/09 at 11:51 PM |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8108488.stm
I really hope they go through with it. Cut Max and Bernie right out of it - for too long those two have milked F1 for all its worth. Bernie's
cut especially is disgusting - multi-billionaire already and continues to take more than all the teams combined despite the so called recesion thats
lead to the shouts for cost cutting.
Unfortunately I think they have announced this early in an attempt to keep F1 as is and force Mad Max to back down
[Edited on 18/6/09 by Steve G]
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 18/6/09 at 11:53 PM |
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The eight members of the Formula One Teams’ Association have announced they will split from Formula 1 and form their own breakaway series at the end
of the season.
Following weeks of talks with the FIA aimed at breaking the deadlock over the row over the 2010 budget cap and governance of the sport, FOTA issued a
statement on Thursday night – on behalf of Ferrari, McLaren, BMW, Renault, Brawn, Toyota and both Red Bull teams – saying they had grown tired of the
governing body’s demands and had been left with “no alternative” than to start preparing for a new championship.
The historic decision comes ahead of Friday’s deadline when the teams’ alliance were told to drop their conditions for entering the 2010 season or
risk being excluded from next season’s grid.
Blaming both the governingy body and F1's commerical supremo Bernie Ecclestone for trying to divide the group, the teams' body says it has
strived to strike a compromise deal to secure the sport's future but said it was no longer willing to "compromise on the fundamental
values of the sport".
The FOTA statement said: "The FIA and the commercial rights holder have campaigned to divide FOTA.
"The wishes of the majority of the teams are ignored. Furthermore, tens of millions of dollars have been withheld from many teams by the
commercial rights holder, going back as far as 2006. Despite this and the uncompromising environment, FOTA has genuinely sought compromise.
“It has become clear however, that the teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their
original conditional entries to the 2010 World Championship.
“These teams therefore have no alternative other than to commence the preparation for a new Championship which reflects the values of its participants
and partners.
“This series will have transparent governance, one set of regulations, encourage more entrants and listen to the wishes of the fans, including
offering lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholders.
“The major drivers, stars, brands, sponsors, promoters and companies historically associated with the highest level of motorsport Full story to
follow…
[Edited on 18-6-09 by mangogrooveworkshop]
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 12:05 AM |
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Bernie and Mad Max must be getting a sense of Deja Vu...
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james h
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 01:12 AM |
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I'm not especially a Williams fan, but I hope they see the light and join the breakaway series.
Whether or not they can is probably a legal matter now though...
Good on FOTA though, hope they bring back Silverstone, because I am sure Donington will not be ready.
I read on PH that Force India will most likely be joining FOTAs side again.
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James
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 01:27 AM |
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I just can't see how it will work.
All the broadcasters are going to be contracted to FOM.
And much as I like to see them standing up to the Dwarf and the Nazi are FOTA's proposals actually any better?
I see compromise ahead. The teams will go back to F1 but with an increased cap for 2010 and less rule changes.
One good thing about a breakaway series would be it'll mean Silverstone will still get the races!
Cheers,
James
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Steve G
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 07:17 AM |
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The Nazi has already announced his compromise solution but i get the feeling it came too late for FOTA. I'd love to see them shut Max and Bernie
out by going for this breakaway series but get the feeling today will see lots of backing down by Max (just mostly not in public).
Max or Gordon Brown - I cant deside who i detest the most!! Both seem power-crazed and will only leave office kicking and screaming against it.
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Browser
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 07:56 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
Bernie and Mad Max must be getting a sense of Deja Vu...
I was thinking exactly the same thing. FOtA (Formula One Teams Association) isn;t a million miles away from FOCA (Formula One Constructors
Association) from the last seventies/early eighties, of which I believe one Bernie Ecclestone was a prominent member. Their battle with FISA and
especially it's president, Jean-Marie Ballestre have passed into F1 history, looks like history repeating itself eh!
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Lurch88
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 08:03 AM |
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haven't these guys learn t Anything from the farce in the USA.
Destroyed one good series(CART) to produce two weak one's,then take ten years to sort it out again.
It will all be bad for race fans.
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RickRick
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 08:18 AM |
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if force india and williams do move over to join the breakaway, it'll be all the F1 teams, i'd guess the same rules as current, all they
need is to get the circuts onboard, and it's just the same F1 with no max or berni!
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iank
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 08:27 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by RickRick
if force india and williams do move over to join the breakaway, it'll be all the F1 teams, i'd guess the same rules as current, all they
need is to get the circuts onboard, and it's just the same F1 with no max or berni!
I think the circuits will be the big problem as I'd expect Bernie and Max to have lots of legal stuff preventing the circuits signing up with
any competitive series.
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Steve G
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 08:52 AM |
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I feel equally sure that all the TV companies and sponsors will have contracts that will allow them to bail out of Bernie's F1 should all the
teams leave. It seems that Bernie is nothing more than a bully who will threaten to sue everyone if they dont play his game. I'd love to see him
try to take on the combined might of Fiat, Mercedes, BMW et al, plus all the sponsors.
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pif
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 08:53 AM |
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this is the story, there is always one.
in the days leading up to a GP. max and bernie show at its best, if there is no controversy then make some. don't you think it was a big
coincidence the deadline was friday, why not Monday next week or a bland midweek day away from a gp like the council hearings are?
it is headline grabbing
like has been said in this thread earlier the breakaway teams have no tv deal, no circuits, no regs, no infrastructure like the circus that is F1. no
marshalls, no medical. remember most of their own sponsors will not be happy cos they will have signed up to "F1".
handbags at dawn if you ask me. they cant live with or without each other.
pif
been a bit of a rush job really, bodged it all together in just 5 1/2 years.
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BenB
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 12:25 PM |
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It's all posturing.
Although I'd love to see "Formula One"- the pinnacle of single seater racing where the only teams were:
Williams
Force India
Campos
US F1
Manor
It's like Bernie threatening to take the F1 away from Silverstone each year only for Brands Hatch management to run it from Silverstone!
It's management BS.
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blakep82
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 12:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
quote:
Originally posted by RickRick
if force india and williams do move over to join the breakaway, it'll be all the F1 teams, i'd guess the same rules as current, all they
need is to get the circuts onboard, and it's just the same F1 with no max or berni!
I think the circuits will be the big problem as I'd expect Bernie and Max to have lots of legal stuff preventing the circuits signing up with
any competitive series.
it would certainly be interesting watching them keep up the contract with no cars to race on them. think bernie and max will be the ones breaking the
contract
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iank
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 12:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
it would certainly be interesting watching them keep up the contract with no cars to race on them. think bernie and max will be the ones breaking the
contract
If such clauses exist they'd only need to run a couple of f1 cars around the track on the right dates to keep their side of the contract. It
would be a bit sad to see them try though.
I'd agree with BenB it will all get sorted out after a couple of days of toys leaving prams at high velocity.
I suspect Bernie and Max will delay the introduction of the budget cap for a year or two (and it will silently die) and Max won't be running for
re-election to the FIA.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 12:59 PM |
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The bit about millions not being paid to some teams since 2006 could be a sticking point...
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nstrug
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 03:05 PM |
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I think the poison dwarf and the nazi whoremonger will back down - which is what they were planning to do all along, its just pathetic willy-waving
and posturing on all sides.
Nick
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Steve G
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 03:13 PM |
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surprise surprise
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 03:17 PM |
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All the teams have to do is threaten to turn up on the grid with uncompetitive cars, inexperienced drivers, and so on. They'll fulfil their
contract, probably not qualify for a single race, and F1 will collapse into a farce.
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TPG
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| posted on 19/6/09 at 05:10 PM |
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Why doesn't everyone (TV,mass sponsers etc etc) get behind the A1 GP series. Its all flag waving and a pretty much a level playing field (Except
drivers).It'll bring Berine and Max down a few notches.Hit them where it hurts,The wallet...Vote with your feet.
Theres a few countries which miss out on high performance F1/A1 sytle racing because of the "demands" of Brenie and Max
Thats my 2 p's worth
..Which was nice..
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