macspeedy
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| posted on 28/11/09 at 10:19 PM |
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How can we say anything when..
Right i have had enough.. time for a rant.
I remember at school we had to write many essays about climate change and Co2 emissions..
But only more than 10 years later do we see any "real" move towards resolving the problem (even if there is one some would say, i would
rather try now than miss the mark) but even now we cant get it right..
how come it has taken so long ???
why dont they admit "cats" dont work and have decimated communities..
where is the common sense department!
(maybe) rant over
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Benzine
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| posted on 28/11/09 at 10:39 PM |
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http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/993/warmx.jpg
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Simon
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| posted on 28/11/09 at 10:54 PM |
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OK, fact - water vapour is far more effective than both methane and co2 as an insulator (which is why they are concerned about "climate
change". It is this insulation that gives us balance day/night temperatures, without it, there would be massive changes between the two.
Now, co2 accounts for 0.038% of the atmoshpere - basically f all. If co2 levels drop, there'll be far more wrong with the planet than if it
rises.
Back to the first paragraph re water vapour. I don't know about you, but there's quite a lot more water in the atmosphere than co2 - I can
see clouds to start with.
Even the chap at the Uni of E Anglia (Brown rep to the IPCC) has been proven to lie about the facts but then his dept's funding, hence his job
would be at risk.
Oh and by the way, the orig debate for "climate change" was started in about 1890 (but if I find 5 mins, I double check the date, but
I'm not far wrong!
Final thing, Brown has to find £800,000,000,000 from the tax payer to taxing co2 is a great way to start. You wait till the hydogen fuel cell is
polluting the atmosphere and we're all getting o2 highs!
ATB
Simon
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Brook_lands
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| posted on 28/11/09 at 10:59 PM |
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And 30 years ago I was having to write essays about how the world was cooling down and heading for the next ice age. Iwonder what the grand kids will
have to write about in future.
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RoadkillUK
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| posted on 28/11/09 at 11:37 PM |
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Sorry, there is no future 
Roadkill - Lee
www.bradford7.co.uk
Latest Picture (14 Sept 2014)
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RichieW
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| posted on 29/11/09 at 12:00 AM |
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Quoting OP
"why dont they admit "cats" dont work and have decimated communities.."
er.... I may be reading this wrong but while I agree that catalytic converters are rubbish I cant think of any communities directly
"decimated" by them.
Does "cats" stand for something trendy and modern that I dont know about these days?
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Simon
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| posted on 29/11/09 at 12:31 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Brook_lands
And 30 years ago I was having to write essays about how the world was cooling down and heading for the next ice age. Iwonder what the grand kids will
have to write about in future.
Correct, climate "experts" up till 1975 were so concerned at the dropping average global temps, they thought we were approaching the next
ice age.
It was an 1896 paper entitled The Effect of Carbonic Acid on the Atmoshpere, and basically lead to a nutter thinking that if his cold nordic country
double their co2 output, they'd increase their average temp by 4 - 4.5 deg. Which didn't happen.
Wrong then, wrong now!
ATB
Simon
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A1
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| posted on 29/11/09 at 02:15 AM |
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its something for people to pretend to care about...
i wouldnt be so pissed off by it if A it wasnt actually starting to affect my life, which isnt very wasteful anyway and B it wasnt so hypocritical
(think politicians flying around the globe to discuss climate change)
and then theres diesels...i followed a bus down the road and was coughing my guts up cause of the 'green' diesel fumes. thats not to
mention the same story with cars
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RK
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| posted on 29/11/09 at 02:27 AM |
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yes, let's not do anything, and pretend the earth is flat while we\re at it.
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Staple balls
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| posted on 29/11/09 at 02:54 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by RK
yes, let's not do anything, and pretend the earth is flat while were at it.
Oddly enough, I don't think the majority of people ever thought the earth was flat, it was just a small minority of vocal nutjobs, and us
liking to think we've advanced more than we have.
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whitestu
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| posted on 29/11/09 at 09:42 AM |
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There's no point doing anything as the implications are just unpalatable to the western world. Options are either:
a. Do nothing - there's isn't really a problem.
B. There is a problem, but given how quickly the population of the planet is growing whatever you do will make no difference [short of sterilising
half the planet and offing everybody else when they reach 50].
It'll probably all end in a big war where half of us get blown up and the other half are reduced to scratching a living off the land - prolem
solved!
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rf900rush
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| posted on 29/11/09 at 10:29 AM |
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Only one problem.
Human's need to evolve some more.
We are all still driven by greed and power.
And I guess, the less evoled you are, the more greed you have.
Can't say much for them running the world 
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gottabedone
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| posted on 29/11/09 at 10:41 AM |
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Unfortunately, where you have some that try to do their bit there are also those that have the need to keep themselves in jobs and the headlines by
thinking up all of these horror stories. Many are paid for either directly or have their research funded by the government.
Their only concern is how to squeeze more tax out of the working classes with no benefit in return.
With no benefit returning to the tax payer (services/roads/police/cost of living...the list is endless) it's no surprise that those that can
leave this little island do!
Steve
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02GF74
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| posted on 29/11/09 at 10:59 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by macspeedy
I remember at school we had to write many essays about climate change and Co2 emissions..
why dont they admit "cats" dont work and have decimated communities..
we talking about the same cats? they were nevere meant to rediuce CO2, in fact, they are desiogned to do the opposite.
A catalytic converter is a device that uses a catalyst to convert three harmful compounds in car exhaust into harmless compounds.
The three harmful compounds are:
+ Hydrocarbons (in the form of unburned gasoline)
+ Carbon monoxide (formed by the combustion of gasoline)
+ Nitrogen oxides (created when the heat in the engine forces nitrogen in the air to combine with oxygen)
The catalyst helps to convert carbon monoxide into carbon dioxide. It converts the hydrocarbons into carbon dioxide and water. It also converts the
nitrogen oxides back into nitrogen and oxygen.
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caber
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| posted on 29/11/09 at 12:06 PM |
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Sad to say it but there is a problem. There are just too many people in the world now. Add to that the people in the developed world are too greedy
for resources, materials and energy. The people with money are to greedy for profit. Essentially we have a bunch of problems that argue for a left
wing political solution where only a right wing one will do.
However you look at it the climate is changing both at a micro level, I remember lots of snow in Edinburgh when I was young, now there is none and in
the bigger picture where we get 1 in 100 year events happening year on year all over the world. Whether or not this is a CO2 issue is debatable, it
sure is a population related issue that is absolutely certain.
As no one is going to suggest reducing the world population rapidly, to 19th century numbers we are looking to reduce energy use alone as a solution!
This is more an economy driven idea as we are using fossil fuels far faster than we are discovering new sources. But as sure as we are not going to
reduce the population we are not prepared to return to the style of living , resource and energy use at the level of the 19th Century.
I think that the governments re just doing what Nero did, fiddling while Rome (or in this case the entire world ) burns
Caber
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matt_gsxr
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| posted on 29/11/09 at 02:07 PM |
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Catalytic converters are brilliant.
Haven't you noticed the stink of unburned petrol has disappeared from our streets. You only notice it now when either you see something old, or
something interesting.
I can't believe that breathing all that in was good for us.
Maybe there is some technology that could have done it better than a CAT, but present Euro 4 emissions don't actually specify that a CAT is
used, they just require a level of emissions. If you know a way of dropping emissions without a CAT then this is your chance to make a few million
quid.
Matt
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macspeedy
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| posted on 29/11/09 at 10:30 PM |
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well with most government ideas, they are great in theory..
One of the worlds most polluted places in the world Norilsk
Catalytic converter production requires palladium and/or platinum; part of the world supply of these precious metals is produced near the Russian city
of Norilsk, where the industry (among others) has caused Norilsk to be added to Time Magazine's list of most polluted places.[14]
"Norilsk"
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JoelP
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| posted on 29/11/09 at 10:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon
OK, fact - water vapour is far more effective than both methane and co2 as an insulator (which is why they are concerned about "climate
change". It is this insulation that gives us balance day/night temperatures, without it, there would be massive changes between the two.
Now, co2 accounts for 0.038% of the atmoshpere - basically f all. If co2 levels drop, there'll be far more wrong with the planet than if it
rises.
Back to the first paragraph re water vapour. I don't know about you, but there's quite a lot more water in the atmosphere than co2 - I can
see clouds to start with.
5 minutes googling suggests that water vapour levels are directly linked to temperature, lot of talk of positive feedback amplifying other warming
effects. So whilst it is the most important greenhouse gas, it is also natural and in balance.
quote:
You wait till the hydogen fuel cell is polluting the atmosphere and we're all getting o2 highs!
Hydrogen fuel cells are just clean batteries. They only store energy, and themselves have no effect on anything.
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