Jasper
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 10:42 AM |
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Tabloid Naivety....
Is anybody else rather suprised by everyones reaction to the way tabloids have been behaving for the last 30 years? I'm shocked that people
didn't realise this stuff was going on. How did everyone think these tabloids always got they're stories?
I was a paparazzi for a little while whilst trying to start a career in photojournalism back in the nineties. I got arrested outside Patsy and Liams
house and taken to Marylybone for questions for bloody hours. The papers clearly got all the details from the police/DVLA - how does everyone think
they get all this information that we can't get? You think the police/DVLA/Govt agencies give this information away for free?
A mate upstairs from me when I lived in east London around the same time worked as a hack for the NotW, he always kept rubber gloves and spare bin
bags in the back of his car for when we went through peoples rubbish - the stories he used to tell about how they got their information were
amazing.
If you want to blame anyone for this DON'T blame the newspapers, blame anyone who buys them and loves reading all the scandal and gossip. Their
just supplying our insatiable demand for this crap.
Anyway, rant over, back to work. 
If you're not living life on the edge you're taking up too much room.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 10:47 AM |
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It is good to see that the NoTW advertisers are dumping them left, right and centre...
...that'll probably have more effect than public outrage! (Although it is the outrage that's influencing the big advertisers)
[Edited on 7/7/11 by David Jenkins]
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blakep82
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 11:00 AM |
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i agree, listening to all this on the radio yesterday, i wasn't so much annoyed with notw, but with everyone else for not realising it goes on!
notw have got papers to sell, they'll do whatever they can to get the story, journalists have always been known for these type of tactics as far
as i'm concerned.
"It is good to see that the NoTW advertisers are dumping them left, right and centre..."
then companies should be removing all their advertising from all newspapers, its just that notw got caught this time lol
i heard all this on radio 1's news reports yesterday out in the garage, where do they get their news from? recylced from other sources? i bet a
lot over the years came from notw, makes bbc just as guilty i'm sure
this same thing of 'phone hacking'' comes up every few months, usually politicians, its nothing new to me.
wonder if the sun will have a story on it today lol
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James
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 11:08 AM |
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Hardly proper hacking anyway is it? You phone someone's voice-mail and try their default password!
I'm amazed it's even illegal!
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blakep82
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 11:18 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by James
Hardly proper hacking anyway is it? You phone someone's voice-mail and try their default password!
I'm amazed it's even illegal!
its a bit like when wi-fi was new, and you could get into someone elses internet as it was an unsecured one, going into their router settings and
putting a password on it... can't do that so much any more, but there IS a new unsecured network appearing near my house.... wonder who's
it is
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contaminated
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 11:29 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
Is anybody else rather suprised by everyones reaction to the way tabloids have been behaving for the last 30 years? I'm shocked that people
didn't realise this stuff was going on. How did everyone think these tabloids always got they're stories?
I was a paparazzi for a little while whilst trying to start a career in photojournalism back in the nineties. I got arrested outside Patsy and Liams
house and taken to Marylybone for questions for bloody hours. The papers clearly got all the details from the police/DVLA - how does everyone think
they get all this information that we can't get? You think the police/DVLA/Govt agencies give this information away for free?
A mate upstairs from me when I lived in east London around the same time worked as a hack for the NotW, he always kept rubber gloves and spare bin
bags in the back of his car for when we went through peoples rubbish - the stories he used to tell about how they got their information were
amazing.
If you want to blame anyone for this DON'T blame the newspapers, blame anyone who buys them and loves reading all the scandal and gossip. Their
just supplying our insatiable demand for this crap.
Anyway, rant over, back to work.
I don't agree. Firstly you are neglecting the fact that anyone who regularly reads the TNOW is probably too stupid to suspect how these people
get their stories. Secondly just because there is demand doesn't make dodgy supply practice acceptable. Should I not buy a pair of trainers in
case there is abrand out there that sill uses sweat shops? I do blame the newspapers - scumbags.
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T66
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 11:39 AM |
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It not just letting themselves into your voicemail , they have been actively intercepting calls aswell.
Gutter journalists will use lots of covert methods of gathering dross for their cause, not just going through your bin.
If they mike up to catch out John Lesley shagging, then as far as Im concerned they can and will apply that technology to gather their dross, in the
name of "public interest" with anyone.
And if cops have been on the take , which it appears it has - then send them to jail, everyone knows data protection breaches are a huge no no.....
Its about time there was some morally based guidance for these pricks to adhere to, we all know which newspapers are full of crap, ie Jordans breasts
got bigger this month, David Camerons cousins uncle got caught drink driving.
Its utter crap reading, bit like watching the BBC news, its the same drivel produced everyday from god knows how many surveys..
I have criticised my wife since I met her, 2 degrees and runs a £45,000,000 business but reads the NOTW - EH ? She wont be reading it anymore after
this.
NOTW - will be busy today, burning office PCs and burning anything incriminating, well they can look forward to whats left of the MEt coming to lock
them up.
The whole story unfolding is no surprise, but it doesnt make it any less appalling or vile, they disgust me beyond belief.
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scudderfish
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 11:46 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by contaminated
quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
Is anybody else rather suprised by everyones reaction to the way tabloids have been behaving for the last 30 years? I'm shocked that people
didn't realise this stuff was going on. How did everyone think these tabloids always got they're stories?
I was a paparazzi for a little while whilst trying to start a career in photojournalism back in the nineties. I got arrested outside Patsy and Liams
house and taken to Marylybone for questions for bloody hours. The papers clearly got all the details from the police/DVLA - how does everyone think
they get all this information that we can't get? You think the police/DVLA/Govt agencies give this information away for free?
A mate upstairs from me when I lived in east London around the same time worked as a hack for the NotW, he always kept rubber gloves and spare bin
bags in the back of his car for when we went through peoples rubbish - the stories he used to tell about how they got their information were
amazing.
If you want to blame anyone for this DON'T blame the newspapers, blame anyone who buys them and loves reading all the scandal and gossip. Their
just supplying our insatiable demand for this crap.
Anyway, rant over, back to work.
I don't agree. Firstly you are neglecting the fact that anyone who regularly reads the TNOW is probably too stupid to suspect how these people
get their stories. Secondly just because there is demand doesn't make dodgy supply practice acceptable. Should I not buy a pair of trainers in
case there is abrand out there that sill uses sweat shops? I do blame the newspapers - scumbags.
Satisfying a demand to make money is not a justification for acting like this. Taking it to its extreme, there is demand for child porn. Does the
existence of that demand make it OK to fulfil it for money?
The words ethics, morals and conscience must be missing from their dictionaries.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 11:49 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
If you want to blame anyone for this DON'T blame the newspapers, blame anyone who buys them and loves reading all the scandal and gossip. Their
just supplying our insatiable demand for this crap.
Don't blame drugs pushers, blame the users...
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JoelP
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 12:00 PM |
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there's a difference between drug pushers and drug dealer! But thats another debate.
What about people who buy the NOTW to collect the sun vouchers for a cheap holiday?! Its a complete rag but i like cheap hols!
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mcerd1
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 12:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
i heard all this on radio 1's news reports yesterday out in the garage, where do they get their news from? recylced from other
sources?
^^ you forgot to add "rewritten for ages 6 to 12" - can't stand radio 1 anyway but the news is shockingly bad 
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 12:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
there's a difference between drug pushers and drug dealer! But thats another debate.
Agreed, but they both *supply* drugs.
The point I am making is that both street drug suppliers and paparazzi are immoral. Just because the have a line of punters keen to take their wares,
doesn't mean they are absolved of all responsibility.
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Jasper
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 12:35 PM |
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The child pornography is a good example actually, you certainly wouldn't just blame the person taking the pictures, you would give equal blame
to the sick f**kers downloading them.
I certainly don't condone anything the newspapers do that's morally objectionable and illegal, find them all, drag them through the press
like they did to everyone else and lock them up if necessary. I had a few dealings with tabloid picture editors and they were always rather
objectionable people, part of the job I suppose.
I just hate the double standards of people who buy tabloids, then get on their high horse when they find out they didn't get all these amazing
stories by normal decent means.
And the term 'drug pushers', that always makes me laugh. I presume you would include off-licenses, cigarette makers and companies that
produce alco-pop style drinks in this description. I've spent a lot of time around the alternative scene in Brighton over the years and have
never heard of anyone having drugs 'pushed' on them. I think you'll find it's peer pressure and curiosity not some shady guy
at the school gates that gets people taking drugs.
If you're not living life on the edge you're taking up too much room.
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contaminated
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 01:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
i heard all this on radio 1's news reports yesterday out in the garage, where do they get their news from? recylced from other
sources?
^^ you forgot to add "rewritten for ages 6 to 12" - can't stand radio 1 anyway but the news is shockingly bad
It is the worst news coverage in the world isn't it! Written by kids for kids. During those Greek riots the other week all the channels were
interviewing greek politicians etc. Not Radio 1 - they interviewed a student in a greek restaurant!
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T66
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 03:51 PM |
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there is a whole separate debate about the BBC to be had......
well worthy of another thread.
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Macbeast
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 04:11 PM |
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Well, that's it !
No more News of the Screws 
My parents ( both schoolteachers ) used to get it . Until I learned to read, when they suddenly stopped it
[Edited on 7/7/11 by Macbeast]
I'm addicted to brake fluid, but I can stop anytime.
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blakep82
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 04:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Macbeast
Well, that's it !
No more News of the Screws
My parents ( both schoolteachers ) used to get it . Until I learned to read, when they suddenly stopped it
did you just see that on newsround too? 
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T66
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 04:37 PM |
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Breaking news - NOTW is now no more
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femster87
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 04:54 PM |
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I Love this forum!! Its shows how baised peoples arguments can be based on past and present connection with the topic being discussed. Hence why I
think Juries can never work properly. I digress, now based on my bias, How can anybody justify such invasive and criminal actions by calling it
business? I have always wondered about the readers as well. Whilst I agree to investigative journalism about important things, I believe peoples
personal lives should be left off tabloids.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 04:58 PM |
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[cynic mode]
The reason NoTW is closing down couldn't be to do with the fact that it's been making a loss for years?
Or that Murdoch is hoping to deflect criticism away from the staff he employs?
Or that Murdoch doesn't want to upset the government while he tries to get authority for buying a majority shareholding in Sky?
[/cynic mode]
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scootz
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 05:17 PM |
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I'm sure that the NOTW will re-emerge as The Sunday Sun, but I'm still delighted that the name will cease to exist as of next week.
Filthy rat-bag publication!
Hopefully The Sun, The Star, The Daily Mail, etc. will follow!
I heard on the radio that the press had surrounded the house belonging to one of the guys suspected of the hacking... the @rse came out and pleaded
that his family's privacy be respected!  What planet is he on!?
It's Evolution Baby!
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Dick Axtell
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 05:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
....Or that Murdoch doesn't want to upset the government while he tries to get authority for buying a majority shareholding in Sky?
You may care to think that is his reason. I, of course, couldn't possibly comment!
Work-in-Progress: Changed to Zetec + T9. Still trying!!
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 06:52 PM |
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I couldn't possibly care. I'm outraged that they've done this, I'm not surprised they've stooped low but this low?
Jeez...
I would be really pee'd off but I know
newspapers are dead
Don't buy them, never have, never will.
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steve m
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 07:08 PM |
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Its a shame for all the real workers, who will lose there jobs and who put an honest days work in, to be ruined by some egotistic twats, that proberly
take home 100,000 a year
that saying, my personel view is, that all the sun, mirror notw type of comics, are exactly that, comics , or in other words childrens newspapers
We havnt bought a paper in 20 years, but when we did it was allways the express, but even that (20 years ago) became a comic, filled with inane shite
and more adverts than ITV
steve
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 7/7/11 at 07:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dick Axtell
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
....Or that Murdoch doesn't want to upset the government while he tries to get authority for buying a majority shareholding in Sky?
You may care to think that is his reason. I, of course, couldn't possibly comment!
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