bonzoronnie
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 posted on 10/3/08 at 10:18 AM |
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Pinto help wanted
Hi all.
I have been given a 1987 ford transit tipper for free. 
The engine is a 2 Litre pinto. Running poorly sick, missing on one cylinder.
Compression test shows very little compression on number two cylinder. 
I have whipped the head off, sure enough. No2 exhaust valve is damaged.
It looks as if the edges have been feathered out ( burnt out i'd guess ). The seat looks to be ok.
My problem is.
Looking in the general area of number 4 spark plug. I cant find any letters to identify if the head is suitable for unleaded use.
Given the age of the Transit I doubt if it is the original engine.
The block has 205 above the casting numbers. I assume this is a 205 block.
The engine number is GR517**
I dont know if it is possible to date the engine from its number?
Did Ford stop marking the head once they started producing unleaded heads only ?
The only source of reference i have is my trusty Sierra manual.
Any help will be most welcome .
Ronnie
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 10/3/08 at 10:25 AM |
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as far as I'm aware the pinto is deemed not suitable for unleaded, not that has ever stopped me doing so. Mine is an old pinto, well thashed to
an inch of it life and still has no unusual wear so sod it I'm sticking with unleaded, beetles and buggys the same and they have notoriously
fragile valves and run very hot but again still normal wear...
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vinny1275
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| posted on 10/3/08 at 10:27 AM |
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Looking here, your engine would appear to be from Oct 87. They have a guide to
how to tell unleaded engines as well.
(I'm glad they put this online, I don't have a catalogue with me).
HTH
Vince
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 10/3/08 at 10:32 AM |
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The 205 block (which is much more suited to boring out and tuning) was from the later injected cars wasnt it?? Its got the hardened valve seats to the
best of my knowledge for use with unleaded. There is a 205 block in the Supercat out in my garage anyway.
Paul
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bonzoronnie
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 posted on 10/3/08 at 10:36 AM |
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Thanks
Thanks for that link Vince. 
I spent nearly two hours on the net last night looking for such a list. 
That almost certainly confirms that it is the original engine. 
I'd hazzard a guess that unleaded heads were not being produced in 1987.
Thanks for the info.
Ronnie
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 10/3/08 at 10:41 AM |
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I have to say though I'm a bit pee'd off at you getting one for free as that is exactly what I'm saving up for and they arn't
cheap sooooo  
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DarrenW
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| posted on 10/3/08 at 10:52 AM |
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Wasnt the transit pinto a lower compression jobbie? If rebuilding it could be worth factring in some machining. Dont know what the detailed
differences are though.
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Schrodinger
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| posted on 10/3/08 at 11:27 AM |
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See also this http://www.burton-power.co.uk/technical_1/unleaded_fuel.aspx re unleaded heads
BTW it's a oct 86 engine
Keith
Aviemore
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bonzoronnie
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| posted on 10/3/08 at 11:39 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
I have to say though I'm a bit pee'd off at you getting one for free as that is exactly what I'm saving up for and they arn't
cheap sooooo
It was a double edged sword realy
I have been looking for a reasonably priced pinto engine for a while.
My sons boss said i could have his old Tranny for free.
It limped home to my place.
I was expecting to find a total wreck of a truck.
Upon inspection. I now find it way too good to break for spares.
21 years old. Chassis has never been welded nor does it need any.
The only rust i can find is a couple of patches in the front arches and some minor blisters on the door bottoms.
By far the tidiest old transit i have seen for many a year.
The alloy butt is in good condition. The tipping gear motor was easily fixed. Needed new bushes thats all.
I have a large amount of landscaping to do at home, not to mention the new roof on the garage this year.
It looks as if the Transit will have to go back on the road, it'll save me a fortune in skips.
That is the story of my donor that is no more.
Ronnie
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aerosam
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| posted on 10/3/08 at 12:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DarrenW
Wasnt the transit pinto a lower compression jobbie? If rebuilding it could be worth factring in some machining. Dont know what the detailed
differences are though.
Quite right, the trannie pinto has lower compression (about 8:1) in order to get higher torque and lower fuel consumption, but i think it sacrifices a
whole bunch of horsepower, i think it's only about 86bhp for the 2 litre.
I believe the transit pinto had dished piston crowns, as opposed to flat in a standard pinto block. Personally I would just get a later injection
engine, completely unleaded safe. You can tell the injection blocks apart from the carb blocks as the inlet ports are egg shaped, not round. (to make
room for the injector to fire in).
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 10/3/08 at 12:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DarrenW
Wasnt the transit pinto a lower compression jobbie? If rebuilding it could be worth factring in some machining. Dont know what the detailed
differences are though.
Think so, and also a massively heavy flywheel....
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 10/3/08 at 01:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bonzoronnie
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
I have to say though I'm a bit pee'd off at you getting one for free as that is exactly what I'm saving up for and they arn't
cheap sooooo
It was a double edged sword realy
I have been looking for a reasonably priced pinto engine for a while.
My sons boss said i could have his old Tranny for free.
It limped home to my place.
I was expecting to find a total wreck of a truck.
Upon inspection. I now find it way too good to break for spares.
21 years old. Chassis has never been welded nor does it need any.
The only rust i can find is a couple of patches in the front arches and some minor blisters on the door bottoms.
By far the tidiest old transit i have seen for many a year.
The alloy butt is in good condition. The tipping gear motor was easily fixed. Needed new bushes thats all.
I have a large amount of landscaping to do at home, not to mention the new roof on the garage this year.
It looks as if the Transit will have to go back on the road, it'll save me a fortune in skips.
That is the story of my donor that is no more.
Ronnie
no, this is not really cheering me up much at all you jammy sod
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bonzoronnie
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| posted on 10/3/08 at 02:48 PM |
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Sorry Mr Whippy
I guess we all have a little luck from time to time.
Thanks for all of your help guys.
The Burton link just about answered all of my questions.
Engine date Oct 86
Engine number is the last part of the VIN.
Definately the original engine.
Looking at the head casting.
To the left just above the the No:4 spark plug hole I can see what looks to be a letter.
It looks to be a lower case letter l (L)
According to my Sierra manual, the letter L was one of the letters that denotes that hardened valve seats are fitted.
Does anyone know if Ford used lower case letters for this purpose?.
I would has expected them to use only upper case letters !!??
Ronnie
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