Ivan
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| posted on 26/6/08 at 08:36 PM |
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Why a bike licence
Can someone please explain to me why people with vehicle driving licence need a bike licence as well.
If they are competent to drive a machine that's many times more lethal to others on the road than a bike and allowed to ride a bike with a
learners license what's the advantage of licensing them for a bike. And I don't know the British law but in SA you can get your licence
and the next day ride a Hyabusa or or something equally lethal to an inexperienced rider.
Licensing bike riders who already have Car licenses just seems daft to me.
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eznfrank
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| posted on 26/6/08 at 08:38 PM |
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Because it's a completely different machine with different controls and handling capabilities. The provisional part of a car licence
doesn't cover any bike and is restricted.
Knowing the rules of the road is only half the job.
In the Uk there are different grades of bike licence and I feel it would be worth replicating this across to the car sector where you could in theory
pass your test at 17 and jump in daddys Veyron, unlikely but all the while possible and perfectly legal!!
[Edited on 26/6/08 by eznfrank]
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UncleFista
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| posted on 26/6/08 at 08:45 PM |
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But, if you decide to take a load of garden rubbish to the tip, you can't just hitch a trailer to the Veyron, nowadays you need to pass a
seperate test to pull a trailer ! 
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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eznfrank
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| posted on 26/6/08 at 08:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by UncleFista
But, if you decide to take a load of garden rubbish to the tip, you can't just hitch a trailer to the Veyron, nowadays you need to pass a
seperate test to pull a trailer !
Takes the piss, when I was 17 and had only had my licence 10 days I drove a LWB tranny with a 22 foot trailer coast to coast in Scotland as support
team for my dad and his mates who were doing a quadrathlon endurance event. No crashes or anything although some very hairy moments!!!!!
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StevieB
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| posted on 26/6/08 at 09:00 PM |
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You can't just jump on a bike with a car license either, you have t do a Compulsory Basic Training assessment first.
They've also changed the standard classifications you get on a license in the last few years too - when doing driver training in with the army
we often found the younger people weren't allowed to work with trailers or drive some of the larger vehicles, and had to apply to have the
entitlements added.
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Alan B
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| posted on 26/6/08 at 09:02 PM |
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Ah...glad I found this thread....I went in Halfords the other looking for a towbar for my Veyron...they looked at me as if I was kidding or
something...
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 26/6/08 at 09:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by eznfrank
quote:
Originally posted by UncleFista
But, if you decide to take a load of garden rubbish to the tip, you can't just hitch a trailer to the Veyron, nowadays you need to pass a
seperate test to pull a trailer !
Takes the piss, when I was 17 and had only had my licence 10 days I drove a LWB tranny with a 22 foot trailer coast to coast in Scotland as
support team for my dad and his mates who were doing a quadrathlon endurance event. No crashes or anything although some very hairy moments!!!!!
Bit contradictory there! That sounds like very good evidence for the new laws to me.
Frustrating for those of us who can only tow 750kg but to be fair large trailers are very different beasts and some extra training seem to make sense
to me.
Besides, there's no problem towing garden waste to the tip, as long as it's in a sub-750kg trailer.
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owelly
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| posted on 26/6/08 at 09:26 PM |
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As far as having to pass a different test for a bike....why bother to have a pilots licence? Or if you can put on a sticky plaster, why bother
training to be a doctor...??
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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coozer
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| posted on 26/6/08 at 09:46 PM |
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Its simple here... for me anyway...
Car license = drive a car
Bike license = ride a bike
HGV license = drive a lorry (hate then now!)
PCV license = drive a bus
Forklift test = forklift working.
So, I have all of them, because... when I was 16 I wanted a bike.. when I was 18 my dad insisted I passed a car test... when I was 21 in London
looking for a job, bus driving came up... when I was on the dole later they sent me for HGV test. In between I've passed forklift truck test so,
all these things have come as I've passed through my career.
Whats the big deal???
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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Mr G
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| posted on 26/6/08 at 10:05 PM |
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Just found out the other day that I can jump on a 50cc moped and blat it around without any L plates or having to take a CBT on just my normal car
license
I can even carry a passenger on the back for christ sake!
Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a
car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes
and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it.
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mr_pr
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| posted on 26/6/08 at 10:09 PM |
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Getting your bike license isn't learning how to ride a bike. You learn that on your CBT. It is learning how to not get hit by other drivers on
the road.
Riding a bike on the road requires and entirely different reaction to events, placement on road, etc. Otherwise, you get hit, come off, end up
injured/dead.
It is tested separately to keep you alive.
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iank
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| posted on 26/6/08 at 10:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr G
Just found out the other day that I can jump on a 50cc moped and blat it around without any L plates or having to take a CBT on just my normal car
license
I can even carry a passenger on the back for christ sake!
The moped thing is a strange anachronism. Should be on a bike license (or have it's own).
--
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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iiyama
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| posted on 27/6/08 at 06:39 AM |
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The bike test is quite a lot different from the car test. And I have to say that having passed my bike test it has made me a better car driver.
If its broke, fix it. If it aint broke, take it apart and find out how it works!
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 27/6/08 at 06:56 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr G
Just found out the other day that I can jump on a 50cc moped
Down here we call them hair driers
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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Ivan
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| posted on 27/6/08 at 07:16 AM |
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Obviously very different here to GB - here you pass your learners test on the road code - get your learner license - hop on your Hyabusa and ride
around for 6 months and if you survive go for your rider test - if you can handle it OK i.e. stop and take off on a hill, turn on a hill and a few
such things and know your road code then you pass - so that's why I asked why a motorcycle license.
It sounds as if in GB as well once you have passed your CBT you are out there on your own learning how to avoid ending up in hospital - so I ask again
- why a riders license why not just endorse the drivers license with a CBT.
Don't get me wrong - I would love a performance bike but I know that at 58 and never having ridden one before I just don't have the skill
sets or instincts to handle what I would be tempted to get and do on it so won't buy one. Also not willing to take the falls that the learning
process would produce.
[Edited on 27/6/08 by Ivan]
[Edited on 27/6/08 by Ivan]
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 27/6/08 at 07:38 AM |
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I thought my CBT was a bit of a joke, could barely change gear without falling off and was handed a certificate 
Is it possible to fail that test??
Haven’t crashed it yet though but at 60mph it's terrifying
[Edited on 27/6/08 by Mr Whippy]
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mcerd1
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| posted on 27/6/08 at 08:14 AM |
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If I had my way there would be a CBT for cars (instead of the stupid theory test)
but then maybe thats because I like in a small town full of learners
re: the trailer test
my brother and a couple of my mates have sat the car+trailer test (B+E) and its not easy - basically its an artic lorry test with a smaller vehicle
the council skips are up the back of the industrial estate I work at, so I see all kinds of trailers and their drivers, most of which will never have
sat a test - its quite scary (twice I've seen wheels fall off the trailer, one time it nearly hit my car  )
how many of you have seen or know someone who just doesn't have a clue trying to reverse a trailer, or towing a caravan at 80mph with it weaving
all over the place.........and so on
btw - I believe that all the people who sat there test before 97 and currently have trailer, minibus, 7.5tonne licences by default will lose these
entitlements when they need to re-apply for there licences (when they are 70 or what ever the age is.....)
[Edited on 27/6/08 by mcerd1]
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 27/6/08 at 09:00 AM |
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CBT is not a test, its training.
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woodster
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| posted on 27/6/08 at 09:09 AM |
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I did the 4 day bike course then took my test on the 5th day and passed ... had a sore arse .. 8 hours a day on bike but i also think it made me a
better car driver
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JoelP
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| posted on 27/6/08 at 09:22 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ivan
It sounds as if in GB as well once you have passed your CBT you are out there on your own learning how to avoid ending up in hospital - so I ask again
- why a riders license why not just endorse the drivers license with a CBT.
i believe in england there is a power restriction for a few years. 37bhp rings a bell?
I too firmly believe that the car test should be replaced with a modular system, starting with a cbt style thing. Different modules to allow higher
power, night, long distance, passangers etc. Possibly even a swipe card to start any vehicle, undoubtedly combined with logged usage and linked
taxing!
CBT to allow you into a car, and allowed to take supervised lessons. No civilian supervision unless they have passed a supervision module.
First test allows you out by youself, limited to urban roads only, with a power restriction of maybe 70bhp/tonne. Speed limited too.
you get my drift anyway, cant be arsed continuing
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 27/6/08 at 09:25 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
quote:
Originally posted by Ivan
It sounds as if in GB as well once you have passed your CBT you are out there on your own learning how to avoid ending up in hospital - so I ask again
- why a riders license why not just endorse the drivers license with a CBT.
i believe in england there is a power restriction for a few years. 37bhp rings a bell?
I think its 50cc's for 2 years with L plates
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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donut
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| posted on 27/6/08 at 10:36 AM |
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I think when you do both bike and car training they should talk to you in depth about what you are in control of and what damage it can do. A few pics
of dead mangled people post accident may make new drivers (especially young ones who think they know it all) think twice before racing their mates up
the high street in a car bairly fit for the road!!
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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D Beddows
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| posted on 27/6/08 at 10:59 AM |
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A few pics of dead mangled people post accident may make new drivers (especially young ones who think they know it all) think twice before racing
their mates up the high street in a car bairly fit for the road!!
Not a chance in h*ll of that helping - as you said you think you know it all at that age (sad you seem to have forgotten it all when you get older and
it could be useful isn't it ) so a couple of gory pictures isn't going to change that is it!
I would say the best reason for passing your bike test is not having to ride a 125 - sorry to all it's fans but a CG125 is a miserable thing to
have to ride (unless you haven't ridden anything else) unless you're about 5ft 5 and 8 stone wringing wet - and even then.......
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mcerd1
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| posted on 27/6/08 at 11:22 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
I too firmly believe that the car test should be replaced with a modular system, starting with a cbt style thing. Different modules to allow higher
power, night, long distance, passangers etc. Possibly even a swipe card to start any vehicle, undoubtedly combined with logged usage and linked
taxing!
CBT to allow you into a car, and allowed to take supervised lessons. No civilian supervision unless they have passed a supervision module.
First test allows you out by youself, limited to urban roads only, with a power restriction of maybe 70bhp/tonne. Speed limited too.
you get my drift anyway, cant be arsed continuing
apart from anything else, limiting you to urban roads isn't exactly practical in a rural area 
I don't think I'd go that far, I just recon that a car CBT would get people who have never driven before off the road until they can
demonstrate a basic level of car control, this way it would be much less frustrating for the rest of us.
although I also recon that limiting the engine size/ power for the first couple of years would help, as would limiting the number of passengers (I
assume they would need to display some kind of 'P' plate to make it enforceable)
but even then its possible to go far too fast in even the smallest engined cars
my old 106 had 59hp/tonne according to pugeot, and it could still get to 85mph fairly easily (not on public roads ofcourse - I wonder if Mango had it
on any autobans in germany ?.......)
I recon the best way to deal with this (and lots of other issues for cars and bikes) would be to increase the penalty for driving without insurance
(to at least 2 or 3 time the cost of the insurance)
[Edited on 27/6/08 by mcerd1]
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02GF74
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| posted on 27/6/08 at 12:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by D Beddows
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A few pics of dead mangled people post accident may make new drivers (especially young ones who think they know it all) think twice before racing
their mates up the high street in a car bairly fit for the road!!
Not a chance in h*ll of that helping - as you said you think you know it all at that age (sad you seem to have forgotten it all when you get older and
it could be useful isn't it ) so a couple of gory pictures isn't going to change that is it!
yep; whe you are 17/18 you think you are invincible and live for ever, a couple of pictures of mashed up bodies won't make a difference. it is
only when you get old(er) and have responsibliliteis to your family that it changes.
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