carpmart
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 08:16 AM |
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FIA hearing today!
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080921165155.shtml
Lets hope some justice prevails today for Hamilton, McLaren and ultimately for the spectacle which is F1.
[Edited on 22/9/08 by carpmart]
You only live once - make the most of it!
Radical Clubsport, Kwaker motor
'94 MX5 MK1, 1.8
F10 M5 - 600bhp Daily Hack 
Range Rover Sport - Wife's Car
Mercedes A class - Son's Car
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chris_smith
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 08:30 AM |
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probably not as they clarified the ruling about a week ago, something like if you gain unfair advantage you must let the other driver back past
till after one more corner
or something like that
i believe this ruling is nonsense and that hamilton should have his win and points returned
chris
The secret of success is to know something nobody else knows."
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 08:34 AM |
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i read somewhere the "one more corner" was dreampt up after the event,never let fact get in the way of a win for the red cars tho?
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 08:37 AM |
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I believe the penalty was too harsh given that the rules werent clear at the time and that Massa simply didnt deserve to win. If Kimi hadnt thrown it
off the track then i wouldnt have minded it quite so much if he'd have won after leading like he did.
I have a feeling though that the FIA will simply keep the penalty in place and do nothing
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Alfa145
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 08:54 AM |
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Any bets on the punishment being increased?
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 09:00 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Alfa145
Any bets on the punishment being increased?
Fine the team maybe. Cant see Lewis suffering any more of a penalty unless the boys in red have had a word 
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Delinquent
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 09:11 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
quote:
Originally posted by Alfa145
Any bets on the punishment being increased?
Fine the team maybe. Cant see Lewis suffering any more of a penalty unless the boys in red have had a word
So you can see his penalty being increased then?
It would be nice to think that this would be resolved correctly, but lets face it, unless Ferrari pull out F1 altogether before the hearing it's
somewhat unlikely.
Regarding the rule clarification - McLaren don't take on appeals unless they have a VERY good chance of winning, which would suggest this
next-corner "rule" isn't something that's written down anywhere.
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phoenix70
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 09:31 AM |
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The 'next corner rule' was a clarification given to the drivers before Monza. People say the punishment was too harsh, but at the end of
the day, had it happen one lap earlier, he would have been given a drive through instead, which he couldn't appeal.
From what I've read, the basic premise is that he would not have been in a position to challenge into the first corner, had he taken the the
correct line out of the last corner.
In case anyone has any doubt's, I am a Ferrari fan.
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BenB
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 09:59 AM |
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There's no way they should enforce the "next corner" thing. It's not a clarification, its an ammendment to the rules and they
shouldn't be retrospective. Now everyone knows about it it's enforceable (just about).
As said the "next corner" thing was only first mentioned after the incident. That's just the FIA changing the rules to suit their
own (Ferrari's) needs....
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carpmart
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 10:02 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenB
There's no way they should enforce the "next corner" thing. It's not a clarification, its an ammendment to the rules and they
shouldn't be retrospective. Now everyone knows about it it's enforceable (just about).
As said the "next corner" thing was only first mentioned after the incident. That's just the FIA changing the rules to suit their
own (Ferrari's) needs....
+1 - well said that man!
You only live once - make the most of it!
Radical Clubsport, Kwaker motor
'94 MX5 MK1, 1.8
F10 M5 - 600bhp Daily Hack
Range Rover Sport - Wife's Car
Mercedes A class - Son's Car
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MikeCapon
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 10:35 AM |
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From the ITV F1 site
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"Lewis Hamilton and the McLaren and Ferrari teams have arrived in Paris for the court of appeal hearing that will decide the result of
the Belgian Grand Prix."
WTF has this got to do with Ferrari? If its because the outcome affects Ferrari's point total then shouldn't BMW be there as well?
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oldtimer
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 11:15 AM |
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Agree with the above. Not a team issue but a rules issue. If it had to be ammended then it was vague before that and the 'punishment'
should be removed. Does F1 stand for Ferrari 1st or what?!...
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 11:30 AM |
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WTF has this got to do with Ferrari
Because Mike in the opinion of many (not me) Ferrari's Is (or should that be are) formula one in many peoples eye's. They are deemed to be
THE greatest sportscar builders in the world and no one but no one should be allowed to be in front of them ever ever ever at all at any time etc
etc.
Now I hope that clears up the situation
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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phoenix70
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 11:33 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeCapon
From the ITV F1 site
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"Lewis Hamilton and the McLaren and Ferrari teams have arrived in Paris for the court of appeal hearing that will decide the result of
the Belgian Grand Prix."
WTF has this got to do with Ferrari? If its because the outcome affects Ferrari's point total then shouldn't BMW be there as well?
I think Ferrari are there because the hearing may want to hear from the driver Lewis was overtaking when this incident occured
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 11:38 AM |
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I think Ferrari are there because the hearing may want to hear from the driver Lewis was overtaking when this incident occured
Hi Scott (ferrari fan traitor ) your surely not implying that the overtake eventually ended up being the reason kimi went into the wall are you ??
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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carpmart
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 11:42 AM |
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On one had the FIA say they want a return to 'proper' F1 racing and in particular overtaking, and on the other hand, unless its a red car
they aren't happy when the drivers get racey!
You only live once - make the most of it!
Radical Clubsport, Kwaker motor
'94 MX5 MK1, 1.8
F10 M5 - 600bhp Daily Hack
Range Rover Sport - Wife's Car
Mercedes A class - Son's Car
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loggyboy
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 11:46 AM |
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I think the key issue that has been missed is that even if Hamilton did gain an advantage, he gained it over Kimi, and no one else
IF its proven/decided that an advantage was made and kimi HAD finished the race they could/should have deducted a suitable amount of time to
give Kimi back the win, but as he didnt finish (because he sucks in the wet) then any penalty should be nul and void.
[Edited on 22/9/08 by loggyboy]
Mistral Motorsport
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 12:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Delinquent
So you can see his penalty being increased then?
I can see the result standing as is with the 25 sec penalty upheld, but a cash fine being imposed on the team for daring to challenge the FIA /
steward's decission.
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 01:04 PM |
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Nice clip
And the result - no penalty for the red car!! Of course being a red car it was supposed to be faster so no competitive advantage gained of course as
seen by Ferrari International Assistance!!
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 01:57 PM |
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I have just re-read the article in the article in/on F1 live.com and I like the ambiguity of the last line in the penultimate paragraph :-
"At the meeting, it was explained that a driver must wait at least one corner before attempting to overtake again."
The bit I like is the clarification is still wide open to further interpretation with "must wait 'at least one
corner'......"
which to me read that if you cut a chicane or a corner then just park up and go home because we can prolong the penalty distance as much as we like.
Or put another way fall behind the car you just tried to pass and IF its a red car DO not try to pass ever again.
But yes I think that the penalty will be increased for having the audacity to challenge a decision.
[Edited on 22/9/08 by jollygreengiant]
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CRAIGR
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 02:30 PM |
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This still going on..... yawn
Its only F1 anyway , far more entertaining racing to be had elsewhere imho .
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oldtimer
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 02:40 PM |
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The trouble is that recent history shows that F1 is incredibly boring if Ferrari lead by a mile. At least the shenanigans(?) keeps it close and, so,
vaguely interesting. I stopped watching it in full years ago, and now only do the highlights if SOMETHING happens, and that's not often. Moto GP
onthe other hand - much more action per minute.
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Richard Quinn
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 05:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by CRAIGR
This still going on..... yawn
Its only F1 anyway , far more entertaining racing to be had elsewhere imho .
Possibly true and everyone's entitled to their opinion. However, it's nice to be nice so I don't tell others that I find their
chosen interest boring (however, a much younger ex-colleague of mine did once buy a caravan...)
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novacaine
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 05:09 PM |
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i personaly think the penalty should be dropped but i dont think there is a chance that he will get the win back
if you want decent car racing BTCC or even 750 motor club is the way to go
And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but its sinking, Racing around to come up behind you again, the sun is the same in a relative way but
your older, shorter of breath and one day closer to death
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 22/9/08 at 05:58 PM |
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No decission till tomorrow it seems chaps!!
linky
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