hobbsy
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| posted on 2/3/09 at 04:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dangle_kt
I've done more than that on a bike with a pillion before - admittedly we were both leathered to the max
What? Speeding AND drunk? 
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 2/3/09 at 04:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by hobbsy
What? Speeding AND drunk?
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johnemms
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| posted on 2/3/09 at 04:17 PM |
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I'm still building a car to get me from 0-60 asap... and ... to top out at what ever it will do ....
Sorry.....
I thought everyone else here had the same dream....
Obviously there are people here building high speed vehicles who have never been reckless .... and... never showed off there fast vehicles....
weired...
Anyway... i suppose locking him up will serve the public interest and be a good use of taxpayers money... yeah...right..
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Ivan
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| posted on 2/3/09 at 04:34 PM |
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Don't know British law but this is a prime case for a 5 year deferred sentence - if he speeds again (even 5 mph over the limit) within five
years he does the time - otherwise if he behaves himself no time.
By putting Dad directly in jail with no options you are punishing the Kid and the rest of the family for Dad's stupidity & and a crime that
had no actual victims, only potential ones..
[Edited on 2/3/09 by Ivan]
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clairetoo
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| posted on 2/3/09 at 05:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by johnemms
I'm still building a car to get me from 0-60 asap... and ... to top out at what ever it will do ....
Sorry.....
I thought everyone else here had the same dream....
Obviously there are people here building high speed vehicles who have never been reckless .... and... never showed off there fast vehicles....
weired...
Anyway... i suppose locking him up will serve the public interest and be a good use of taxpayers money... yeah...right..
I agree - I never realised that this forum had so many `saints` and do-gooders .
I have a clean licence - despite the fact that I was dangerously and recklessly driving at more than the speed limit several times over the weekend .
I would go as far as to admit that every time I get behind the wheel I break the speed limit - I have a terrible habit of watching the road and taking
my eyes off the speedo to do so - but the amazing bit is I am still alive , and I have not killed or injured anybody - ever .
Maybe I should be locked away for a long time ?
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 2/3/09 at 05:22 PM |
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Once the moral highground has been seized its very hard to get back down to mere mortal levels again.
Right I'm off to rag the ar$e out my sheddy volvo.
quote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
quote:
Originally posted by johnemms
I'm still building a car to get me from 0-60 asap... and ... to top out at what ever it will do ....
Sorry.....
I thought everyone else here had the same dream....
Obviously there are people here building high speed vehicles who have never been reckless .... and... never showed off there fast vehicles....
weired...
Anyway... i suppose locking him up will serve the public interest and be a good use of taxpayers money... yeah...right..
I agree - I never realised that this forum had so many `saints` and do-gooders .
I have a clean licence - despite the fact that I was dangerously and recklessly driving at more than the speed limit several times over the weekend .
I would go as far as to admit that every time I get behind the wheel I break the speed limit - I have a terrible habit of watching the road and taking
my eyes off the speedo to do so - but the amazing bit is I am still alive , and I have not killed or injured anybody - ever .
Maybe I should be locked away for a long time ?
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big_wasa
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| posted on 2/3/09 at 05:35 PM |
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Hmm puts me of getting another bike.
Ive had bikes most years since a kid and want one this year.
If I got 6 months I would loose everything 
So who is going to povide for his familly whilst he is on holiday. So he could also loose everything.
Way aver the top !
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dogwood
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| posted on 2/3/09 at 06:00 PM |
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Seriously P****d off rant !!!!!
I have watched the vid over and over.
I see NOTHING dangerous at all.
Stupid yes...but dangerous, definatly NOT.
I have 35 plus years motorcycling
Also advanced rider, and RAC/ACU instructor.
The court seemed to be making something ,off what MIGHT have happened.
I have seen dangerous riding,
Overtaking on the inside, blind bends, etc.
122mph in this case wasn't dangerous.
it was a bit wet, but the tyres are more than capable of handling it.
The corner in the vid was VERY shallow.
As has been pointed out, he barly canted over at all.
As for me...well (Yes I'll admit it)
I rode home from the South of France a few years back
doing over 100 mph all the way on the autoroute.
Was I being dangerous?????
I finaly got knocked off doing 20mph by a kid on a mobile phone deided to do a U turn without looking...
Was he being dangerous/
Not according to the police or courts
His punishment?????
F***all again.....
David
FREE THE ROADSTER ONE…!!
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MikeR
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| posted on 2/3/09 at 06:03 PM |
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I never commented on the sentence as I honestly believe that it is terribly disproportionate. The idea of giving him a fine, community service,
suspended sentence and making him resit his test appeals greatly (esp as he admitted guilt). My comments (and perhaps badly worded, i was having a bad
day in the garage) where aimed at the people who didn't think he did anything wrong.
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robinj66
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| posted on 2/3/09 at 06:40 PM |
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I don't often comment on these things as it's a bit of a "Busman's holiday".
I think the sentence is excessive . Unfortunately for him the judge is just sticking with the state issued guidelines - IE, a custodial sentence will
normally be imposed for Dangerous Driving. What is of concern is that he was entitled to a discount for his timely Guilty plea - that makes the
sentence around 9 months or so originally (before discount) and that is worryingly excessive and disproportionate.
However I would say that some of you are naive if you think he has been badly advised (to plead Guilty).
Dangerous driving is that which "falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver and it would have been obvious to a
competent and careful driver that driving in that way would be dangerous"
"dangerous" refers to the "danger either of injury to any person or of serious damage to property".
The issue is always one of fact and degree - there is (unfortunately for him) recognised case law that high speed (114 in a 70 limit) can amount to
dangerous driving, "even though the potential hazards were minimal"
If this case had gone to trial, then the jury would have had to consider whether they felt his manner of driving was, in their opinion, dangerous to
other road users. It would not matter whether he was deliberately reckless, careless, momentarily inattentive or even doing his incompetent best.
Can anyone honestly say that they would have advised this man that he would succeed with a not-guilty verdict on the basis of the above?
The issue here is that which David raised in the first place - not whether this driving was dangerous but whether the sentence is "fair"
and appropriate.
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dogwood
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| posted on 2/3/09 at 06:51 PM |
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I think only a fool would think he wasn't doing anything wrong.
Yes he was speeding, and yes he got caught and deserves the punishment for that offence.
I feel he was made an example of.
another poke at bike riders.
As for his son, I'm sure he's been on the bike plenty of times and knows how his father rides.
Just remember speed had never killed anyone !!!!!!!
It's that sudden stop that gets Ya...
I have just watched the vid again..
If he was traveling at 122 mph.
How come he wasn't catching the car infront/
Also how come there was a car within a few yards behind him...
I'm begining to wonder if there is more to this than just the speed.
[Edited on 2/3/09 by dogwood]
FREE THE ROADSTER ONE…!!
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MikeR
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| posted on 2/3/09 at 06:59 PM |
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or the heart attack just before the sudden stop!
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sucksqueezebangblow
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| posted on 2/3/09 at 08:30 PM |
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Police riders do more than that speed in similar conditions in the course of their normal duties. Are they guilty of dangerous driving? Must be if
they are doing that speed!
Better to Burnout than to Fade Away JET METAL ~ AndySparrow © 
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