MK chippy
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| posted on 2/4/09 at 05:02 PM |
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Originally posted by iiyama
OK, if thats an exact transcription of what happened then fair enough. However I'd still like to know why Toyota didnt appeal? Seems very
strange to me that if a team thought they were hard done by, (3rd, with points and cash to absolutly nothing), why they didnt kick up?
My thoughts aswell! ^^^^^
Excluding him from the GP is a bit extreme i think, he drove well and would have finished fourth fairly, surely just giving him the points for fourth
would have done?!!!!!!
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 2/4/09 at 05:15 PM |
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Every time this sort of sillyness starts I say I will never watch F1 again - but I always seem watch it
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 2/4/09 at 07:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
Every time this sort of sillyness starts I say I will never watch F1 again - but I always seem watch it
I said that I wouldn't - and I don't...
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scootz
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| posted on 2/4/09 at 07:43 PM |
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Toyota didn't appeal it immediately because they (like the Stewards) didn't have ready access to the 'facts'... Hamiltons
'version of events' was being accepted over Trulli's and that was that - or so it seemed until the driver-to-pit radio transmissions
and team discussions with race control were all pieced together and the reality of the situation became clear!
I was a Hamilton fan when he first broke into F1, but he has started to grate on me with his attitude.
He (and his team) have lied. He (they) deserves the exclusion... I feel they are lucky that they haven't been excluded from the next race too!
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 2/4/09 at 08:15 PM |
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Is there any of you lot above who clearly have it in for Hamilton / McLaren who actually want to see some fair racing or do you all just want to see
him excluded from every single race for some infringement of one clearly vague rule or another?? McLaren made repeated requests to the race directors
during the safety car period which was also proven in the transcript about whether Trulli going off as he did and Hamilton going past was
legitimate!!!
How about blaming the FIA for a change for a) not making a decission at the time to get the cars in the correct order before ending the safety car
period (like they manage easily enough in the Indy cars), and b) having such vague and complex rules that the teams (not just McLaren) have to search
the rule books seemingly every time something happens and dont know whether they should appeal through fear of a bigger penalty!! Just to prove what a
joke the decission making has become - look at the 10-place penalty that Vettel gets for this weekend following the incident last week when we
actually had a proper bit of overtaking!!! Didnt the FIA want overtaking?? Are we going to see punishments every single time there is contact??
Seems clear that we are yet again going to have a season decided in the stewards meeting, and probably at some stage this season, a court room!!! F1
turned into a joke last year and nothing has changed!!! Sunday's used to be about seeing who would do what in the Grand Prix - not any more so
who bl**dy bother!!!! 
I wont be watching on Sunday!!
[Edited on 2/4/09 by Paul TigerB6]
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A1
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| posted on 2/4/09 at 09:54 PM |
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the formula 1 has become far too regulated with too many rules, so it totally detracts from the entire point of it- to have a race. i mean, every time
anything vaguely exciting happens its 'i wander if the stewards will take a closer look' its just wrong. they need to make it simple -
race to win, with good sportsmanship.
im not going to take sides on the hamilton trulli thing, cause i dont know enough about it.
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James
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| posted on 2/4/09 at 11:17 PM |
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Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
Is there any of you lot above who clearly have it in for Hamilton / McLaren who actually want to see some fair racing or do you all just want to see
him excluded from every single race for some infringement of one clearly vague rule or another?? McLaren made repeated requests to the race directors
during the safety car period which was also proven in the transcript about whether Trulli going off as he did and Hamilton going past was
legitimate!!!
I hope that is not aimed at me. I think Hamilton's great and want him to win and want him to win many more championships. I love Mclaren too, I
worked for them for 3 seasons and have nothing but respect for the people who work their balls off there for minimal financial reward.
I think you're missing the point!!! Hamilton/Mclaren are being punished because he lied during the post-race investigation and they mis-led the
FIA with their radio transcripts.
Not because of what happened on the track but after the race.
I want him to win, but I want him to win legitimately. Where's the satisfaction in a win by cheating? 
Cheers,
James
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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James
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| posted on 2/4/09 at 11:21 PM |
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Originally posted by MK chippy
Excluding him from the GP is a bit extreme i think, he drove well and would have finished fourth fairly, surely just giving him the points for fourth
would have done?!!!!!!
But they can't just say: "Oh it's ok that you lied during the investigation, here's your points and lets forget about
it"!
I imagine they think some sort of example has to be made to prevent it happening again.
Cheers,
James
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 3/4/09 at 12:02 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by James
quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
Is there any of you lot above who clearly have it in for Hamilton / McLaren who actually want to see some fair racing or do you all just want to see
him excluded from every single race for some infringement of one clearly vague rule or another?? McLaren made repeated requests to the race directors
during the safety car period which was also proven in the transcript about whether Trulli going off as he did and Hamilton going past was
legitimate!!!
I hope that is not aimed at me. I think Hamilton's great and want him to win and want him to win many more championships. I love Mclaren too, I
worked for them for 3 seasons and have nothing but respect for the people who work their balls off there for minimal financial reward.
I think you're missing the point!!! Hamilton/Mclaren are being punished because he lied during the post-race investigation and they mis-led the
FIA with their radio transcripts.
Not because of what happened on the track but after the race.
I want him to win, but I want him to win legitimately. Where's the satisfaction in a win by cheating?
Cheers,
James
No it wasnt aimed at you (or anyone else) James - just the general masses who seem to want Hamilton to fail no matter what. From what i have seen of
the so called "evidence" - its a total sham what they did!! All the teams know their radio transmissions are recorded so is it not fair to
assume that the stewards dont need telling they should listen to this? McLaren also made repeated requests to Charlie Whiting for a judgement on where
Lewis / Trulli should be which was on tape also, but did the race directors not make this available to the stewards before the meeting?? Is it up to
McLaren to give every detail to the stewards?? Who really believes that McLaren denied telling Lewis to let Trulli through?? I dont - knowing that
everyone knows any transmissions are recorded. Does anyone really think McLaren are that stupid?? Am i the only one to think the FIA have released
just the bits they want published?? It stinks and i am sure McLaren are taking it under further threats of sanctions.
Like you i want to see whoever win by fair means - not gifted it by the FIA. I was made up for Button (and Rubens who i have met personally / had
lunch with etc) and will be gutted if they are stripped of the win due to this diffuser row. Surely though - thats the whole point - we are not even
100% sure, come a few weeks, who is actually going to be recorded as the winner of the Aus GP........ if could turn out to be Trulli or even Alonso
who came 6th on the road given the diffuser row at the moment!! That to me isnt racing and how can the FIA be proud of this situation they have
created??
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iiyama
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| posted on 3/4/09 at 06:39 AM |
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Originally posted by scootz
Toyota didn't appeal it immediately because they (like the Stewards) didn't have ready access to the 'facts'... Hamiltons
'version of events' was being accepted over Trulli's and that was that - or so it seemed until the driver-to-pit radio transmissions
and team discussions with race control were all pieced together and the reality of the situation became clear!
I was a Hamilton fan when he first broke into F1, but he has started to grate on me with his attitude.
He (and his team) have lied. He (they) deserves the exclusion... I feel they are lucky that they haven't been excluded from the next race too!
Eh??? Toyota didnt have the facts?? Thier car and driver was involved, they had radio contact with thier car and driver, and they also have access to
the onboard footage. So what other facts are required??
Hamiltons attitude? What attitude would this be? I see a young and very confident individual with a hint of arrogance. No different then to ooh I
dunno, maybe a certain Shoe maker, or a certain Mansell, or maybe Senna or Prost? Pretty much no different then any other succesful racing driver
really.
Anyway I think he'll be out of your hair in the forseeable future. Much more of this crap and I suspect he'll be off to America.
[Edited on 3/4/09 by iiyama]
[Edited on 3/4/09 by iiyama]
If its broke, fix it. If it aint broke, take it apart and find out how it works!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 3/4/09 at 11:27 AM |
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Admission of guilt
BBC
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James
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| posted on 3/4/09 at 11:33 AM |
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Told ya!
Oh Lewis you silly sod!
Mclaren don't half make it hard to be a fan don't they!!! 
Some further info:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74202
Cheers,
James
[Edited on 3/4/09 by James]
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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stuart_g
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| posted on 3/4/09 at 11:47 AM |
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Thank god for Moto GP and World superbike there seasons have started already so there's something better to watch than the F1 flannel. I thought
I'd start to watch F1 this year as I watched the remaining races of last year but after this episode it is complete bollocks.
BTCC starts this weekend and British Superbikes next so I don't think I'll waste anymore of my life watching F1.
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scootz
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| posted on 3/4/09 at 01:50 PM |
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Any Hamilton / Macca / conspiracy backers fancy a wee slice of humble-pie?
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 3/4/09 at 02:08 PM |
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So long as it makes you all happy that the FIA and stewards are yet again deciding the results of races in a meeting room!! Sickens me that so many
cant wait to see a British driver fail so hope you are happy with the result.
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BenB
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| posted on 3/4/09 at 02:31 PM |
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I blame Race control!!!
You are not supposed to over-take under a yellow but what if someone drives off the road? They needed an answer and couldn't get one.
If McLaren weren't so phobic about the Ferrari sponsered stewards they wouldn't have been all dithery...
Lying afterwards was just wrong.... naughty Hamilton.... It was only ever going to get Trulli kicked out for something he never did. Hamilton should
have stayed in front of Trulli until an answer came from Race Control....
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stuart_g
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| posted on 3/4/09 at 08:17 PM |
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I would love to watch it this year and I do want Hammy to stick it to the cheating Ferrari's again but I'm sick of the result being
decided in a stewards enquiry which no doubt ends up in a back hander somewhere along the line. Racing results should be decided on track not in a
board meeting.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 3/4/09 at 08:54 PM |
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I read in a paper today that Lewis may get reported to the FIA - in which case, there's a risk that he could be banned from F1, or lose his
racing licence.
Probably a load of male bovine droppings... unless a certain white-haired dwarf puts his oar in...
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