chris mason
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| posted on 21/2/11 at 09:10 AM |
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I love threads like this, they never tell the true picture 
I could show you some video's of becs being hounded on trackdays by road going cars weighing around a ton and with 160-180bhp, so does that mean
a tin top like that is faster, must do!
People always claim they raced a porsche or a ferrari or an R8 etc and won, well the other guy either wasn't trying or can't drive,
remember he's got around or over 100k tied up in his car, you've probably got a 10th of that, or that the road and conditions favoured
your car, while on a different road or conditions he would have won!
Most blade/R1 becs i've seen (this is with my own blinkers) achieve 0-100 in around 11-14 seconds, most will 1/4 mile in 13 seconds some over
14, a few of the more powerful ones under 13.
The only advantage a bec has over a heavier car is under braking and through the corners, but if the roads bumpy, i'd rather be sat in an evo or
sti, than lightweight bec.
I don't want to put you off a bec or a seven for that matter, but the sensation of speed comes from the experience rather than the actual
performance. If you want to be the quickest on a tight and twisty road go for it, but if your likely to be racing your mates on dual carriageways then
you may regret it.
At road legal speeds a bec is quite a formidable machine.
[Edited on 21/2/11 by chris mason]
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hobzy
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| posted on 21/2/11 at 02:03 PM |
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^^
Good reply. If you want to fart around risking life and limb and others way over the limit, dont bother with a BEC, or a seven really. If however you
love blasting country lanes, the sound of the engine (BEC OR CEC) and like the wind in your hair, then a kit is the way forward.
On Pistonheads runs, myself and the other few kits that come to play get dropped on the long a roads by the big boys, but can keep up with most stuff
before that - and you know what? They always want to come out for a go in ours even if they own a lambo 
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skydivepaul
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| posted on 21/2/11 at 02:32 PM |
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^^^^^^ another good reply.
i have always found that driving, riding in 7 style car feels fast even if it isnt
with a 7 style car you get unique looks, good power to weight ratio, wind in your hair motoring and FUN
if you want a car just for hooning around a track i found that a modified hot hatch will perform just as well as your average 7
i had a peugeot 205 with an MI16 egine on twin webers.
fully stripped out with a roll cage and slicks
this thing would out perform all but the fully track prepped caterhams / race cars.
very sure footed and you can drive them like a hooligan without being spat off the race track
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danny84
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| posted on 21/2/11 at 02:43 PM |
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I'm more like the blast round the country roads type of guy to be honest as i said my sporting around from roundabout to roundabout on dual
carridgeways or traffic light grandprix is well gone.The post was only to give me an idea in my head of how quick these cars are because i've
read so many contrasting views on their performance.If there was a CEC out their with the same capabilities i would consider buying either.A couple of
thousand RPM at the top end isn't the be all and end all of the experience i am looking for.I want to enjoy this type of car for a long time and
not get bored so my final choice must be the right one.At the end of the day this to me is a luxury not a neccesity(thats what i'll tell the
wife when i hit my mid life crisis)!!!
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chris mason
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| posted on 21/2/11 at 09:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by danny84
I'm more like the blast round the country roads type of guy to be honest as i said my sporting around from roundabout to roundabout on dual
carridgeways or traffic light grandprix is well gone.The post was only to give me an idea in my head of how quick these cars are because i've
read so many contrasting views on their performance.If there was a CEC out their with the same capabilities i would consider buying
either.A couple of thousand RPM at the top end isn't the be all and end all of the experience i am looking for.I want to enjoy this
type of car for a long time and not get bored so my final choice must be the right one.At the end of the day this to me is a luxury not a
neccesity(thats what i'll tell the wife when i hit my mid life crisis)!!!
In that case just find one with 200bhp and you'll be fine, or look for an R300 caterham etc
You sound like your not that bothered about the noise, revs, fragility of a bec, and seeing as your looking for a used one, then the cost difference £
for £ to build won't have that much effect on the price your likely to pay 2nd hand.
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 21/2/11 at 09:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr G
Whatever you buy your 'going to get used to it' .... (a bit like your girlfiend/wife/other half!) thats the problem 
beg to differ on that fact but see other thread
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ashg
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| posted on 21/2/11 at 11:37 PM |
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I have to agree with chris
out on the southern runs a chap has an r300 sl (wont mention his name) i have seen him stomp over plenty of evo's and scoobies through the
lanes and down dual carriage ways but there is very rarely enough room to even attempt getting into triple speedo figures. along with the fact that it
draws the wrong kind of attention.
having been out on a couple of runs and to an airfield day with cloudy i can safely say his warner r4 is quicker than an r300 i think from memory that
it was also faster than highcost's cosworth turbo powered beast. so there is potential to go silly fast with bike engines but the car needs to
be around 350kg as demonstrated by cloudy or plus 250bhp with a car engine.
a 7 style car will never be lambo fast up the top end as it just doesn't have the aerodynamics but i would ask where can you use 200mph in
reality? from what i have seen a well sorted seven is seriously quick up to 100ish and stable up to around 120-130ish after that the big boys are in
a league of their own.
what I personally love about my seven is that it cost me 3k to build from scratch and for an afternoon i can go to a track day and get just as many
thrills as any lambo, Ferrari ........ driver that has spent 100k on a car. yes i can do this i a hot hatch but it will never feel as raw or command
the respect a sorted seven does.
on track i can usually keep up with much more expensive faster cars and can even intimidate some lesser drivers through the tight corners but totally
accept they are going to blow me away on the straights only to be reeled back in on the next corner with later breaking. those are the facts and i
accept them and still have fun.
this winter i have dropped a saab turbo lump in to the car im aiming for 200+ bhp so the gap will get closer but im not going to fool my self that i
can beat the big boys but it will allow me to have a bit more of a play with them.
sevenesque kits are really really great but don't fool yourself into thinking they are super cars because, put quite simply they are not. hire
a super car for a day at a track and you will see what i mean.
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probablyleon
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| posted on 23/2/11 at 02:14 AM |
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I don't usually get involved it these kinds of discussions (mostly because I usually don't feel terribly qualified to comment) but
i've been sat on an airport for 5 hours and am bored out of my mind... I bought a Bike engined fury last year (I had a 2ltr Lancia engined seven
before) and it still scares the c**p out of me like nothing I've ever driven before. Fantastic!!! As for getting used to it, I'm a fair
way off that. I'm sure that mediocre drivers (that's definitely me and in truth probably most of us) could lap quicker in an Evo /
impretza with all its traction control etc but there's its unlikely that they'd be having anything like as much fun. I had the pleasure of
driving a friends 360 spider last year, truly impressive but in terms of generating adrenalin, absolutely no comparison. My advice would be to forget
about beating your mates to the next roundabout and have some fun. Come on in the water is lovely / shark infested
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danny84
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| posted on 23/2/11 at 03:27 AM |
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I'm also in the strictly average driver standards club but like to think i could improve by driving a bec on a regular basis.I think i'm
underestimating how quick these cars can be a to b over short distances.There are pleny of roads around where i live to enjoy the rush without
breaking the speed limit.At the end of the day i've got my family to think about.So... in my head BEC 1 CEC 0.Unless i can find a cosworth
powered 7 for around 8 grand which is doubtfull.I wish my bank loan was finished ARRRHHHH!!!
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dilley
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| posted on 23/2/11 at 11:04 PM |
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I built a blackbird turbo indy and it is still the fastest car I have ever driven, 320 bhp at the wheels. topped out at 156mph on the rev limiter. I
have owned an Ultima GTR and this was ok but had nothing on the bec. The Indy was alot quicker than an caterham R500.
[Edited on 23/2/11 by dilley]
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danny84
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| posted on 23/2/11 at 11:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by dilley
I built a blackbird turbo indy and it is still the fastest car I have ever driven, 320 bhp at the wheels. topped out at 156mph on the rev limiter. I
have owned an Ultima GTR and this was ok but had nothing on the bec. The Indy was alot quicker than an caterham R500.
[Edited on 23/2/11 by dilley]
Thats probably the fastst car around.I bet that is bike quick.WAY out of my league money and capabilities i'll have to settle for a megre 160
bhp.
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Benzo
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| posted on 24/2/11 at 12:20 AM |
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I now have a megablade but i had a megabusa, the downgrade was to join a racing championship here in ireland..
In the blade its so much fun, but its really a ball of noise... but its fun to fleece around the track in and engines are cheap for them.
The busa was a different animal, it could sit along with my friends 600hp GT4 from 40-100 but even then it was getting nailled over the tonne..
Depends what your after really, i like my little blade it prob. plenty fast for the road, but i am going to have to build something or buy something
again soon which will properly scare me.. its looking like a zzr1400 crammed into a westie 
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gixermark
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| posted on 24/2/11 at 11:41 AM |
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hi mate - i have something here that may scare ya !! you're welcome in the left seat !!
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Benzo
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| posted on 24/2/11 at 12:17 PM |
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Cant wait
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danny84
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| posted on 25/2/11 at 05:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by gixermark
hi mate - i have something here that may scare ya !! you're welcome in the left seat !!
What's that then???? Ant offers welcome come summer time.I need to get out more.
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Benzo
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| posted on 25/2/11 at 08:32 PM |
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He's gone and got himself an s2000 engined machine on throttle bodies with a 6speed sequential box all fitted into a westie chassis...meant to
be a right little monster!!
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danny84
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| posted on 25/2/11 at 11:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Benzo
He's gone and got himself an s2000 engined machine on throttle bodies with a 6speed sequential box all fitted into a westie chassis...meant to
be a right little monster!!
See now look what you've done ...CEC with over 200 brake 9000 rpm how is a man to decide.Defo like a passenger ride in that.Bring it on!!!
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 25/2/11 at 11:25 PM |
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Dont forget, that the '7' types arent the only kit cars around.
[Edited on 25-2-11 by MakeEverything]
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
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slingshot2000
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| posted on 25/2/11 at 11:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Benzo
He's gone and got himself an s2000 engined machine on throttle bodies with a 6speed sequential box all fitted into a westie chassis...meant to
be a right little monster!!
Where did he buy it from ? I have a mate that has one that sounds just like this for sale, he says it is FAR quicker / frightenier then the Megabusa
that he owned a coupe of years ago! ( I also know what It cost the original owner to build, and how much he lost on it within a year - ie; how much my
mate paid for it)
Regards
Jon
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danny84
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| posted on 26/2/11 at 04:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
Dont forget, that the '7' types arent the only kit cars around.
[Edited on 25-2-11 by MakeEverything]
They're my favorite to be honest.A friend of mine has a marlin 5EXI with honda v tec power which is quite tasty as well but that cost him a
fortune to build.He used all top notch stuff on it so it's understandable.He had a small electrical fire under the bonnet a while back and has
just about given up on it gathering dust in his garage.Wonder how much thats worth???
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