spiderman
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| posted on 2/6/13 at 12:09 AM |
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Originally posted by tegwin
quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
However, hooking up a 12v car battery to a fence won't do anything at all, unless it touches it with it's nose whilst standing on wet
ground, and even then it will be a tingle rather than a shock.
Have you ever touched an electric fence!? It is NOT just a tickle! 
(edit to say...you are right, just a 12V battery won't do anything...you need a transformer to step that voltage up a bit :p)
[Edited on 31/5/13 by tegwin]
The 12v battery is the power supply for the energizer which puts out a pulse of approx 8000 volts. The energizer a capacitive
discharge system and the 8000 volts is a back emf, similar to some electronic ignition systems.
The voltage is not fatal as it is current that kills.
However an electric livestock fence can kill as I have seen a lamb that died when it got wrapped up in an electric fence overnight, I suspect that
it went into shock from the continual jolts that it received.
[Edited on 2/6/13 by spiderman]
Spider
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slingshot2000
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| posted on 2/6/13 at 07:57 AM |
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No not electrocute just a shock like in cattle / HORSE fields 
I would be extra careful if there are horses in the vicinity, they are VERY sensitive to electricity and an electrical shock as low as 12volts can be
lethal to them.
Anyone remember this;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356297/2-horses-fall-dead-Newbury-parade-ring-amid-electrocution-fears.html
None of the people present felt a thing, but it killed the horses !
I listening to the meeting (for some reason), and after the first one went down I commented to a colleague about how sensitive horses are to very low
voltages.
Regards
Jon
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CompoSimmonite
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| posted on 2/6/13 at 08:23 AM |
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We get Foxes around during the day as well. They sunbath on back lawns. One even came into our living room. Dogs chased it out but not until it
managed to get behind the setee and urinate - stunk the house out for weeks !
What about netting over the top of the pond ? My father had same problem with a Heron taking his fish and netting worked.
Paul H
[Edited on 2/6/13 by CompoSimmonite]
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imp paul
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| posted on 2/6/13 at 08:54 AM |
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hi jako my mother was telling me ,that you can get some sort of electrick device. that gives a sonic sound off that dogs / foxs dont like it mite be
worth looking in to this mate try google it would be good if this is right if i can i will try and find out a bit more info for you
all the best
paul
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Peteff
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| posted on 2/6/13 at 09:26 AM |
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This kind of thing would be my choice if I was going to
buy anything but what we do for the local cat population (who think our garden is a toilet) is put Cayenne or Chilli pepper down in the area they use
and it puts them off coming in.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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jacko
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| posted on 2/6/13 at 03:08 PM |
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Originally posted by Peteff
This kind of thing would be my choice if I was going to
buy anything but what we do for the local cat population (who think our garden is a toilet) is put Cayenne or Chilli pepper down in the area they use
and it puts them off coming in.
Pete i like your idea with the water jet has anyone tried / used one if so how good are they
Jacko
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spiderman
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| posted on 2/6/13 at 04:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by slingshot2000
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No not electrocute just a shock like in cattle / HORSE fields
I would be extra careful if there are horses in the vicinity, they are VERY sensitive to electricity and an electrical shock as low as 12volts can be
lethal to them.
Anyone remember this;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356297/2-horses-fall-dead-Newbury-parade-ring-amid-electrocution-fears.html
None of the people present felt a thing, but it killed the horses !
I listening to the meeting (for some reason), and after the first one went down I commented to a colleague about how sensitive horses are to very low
voltages.
Regards
Jon
That was from an underground mains electric cable and not from a 12 electric fence. Many horse owners use 12v livestock fences to contain their
animals. They don't need to get a shock to know the fence is there as they seem to be able to sense it before the get too close.
Spider
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DarrenW
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| posted on 2/6/13 at 07:47 PM |
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Some interesting thoughts here. Im against the anti fox hunting lobby, but didn't consider some of the facts raised here. Water cannons sound
interesting? Fishing line over the pond? Sound cannons?, work well for protecting rigs.
No doubt the foxes are doing what ones naturally, (packed lunches and all that) but why can't we defend why we enjoy and pay for?
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morcus
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| posted on 2/6/13 at 11:17 PM |
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Another vote for a net/cover, I think your asking for trouble setting up an electric fence in your garden.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 3/6/13 at 04:22 PM |
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Ive heard of people putting strong fishing line around the outside of a pond when they have trouble with Herons. The theory being they have to land on
a flat surface then walk into the pond before scoffing all of the fish, and their legs dont bend in a way that allows them to step over the line.
Would that work with a fox? i guess it wont for a long time as they could find a way through.
Net seems like the better solution, but not exactly convenient.
Ive seen posh ponds built with galvanised / stainless steel rod covers before. Look smart and contemporary when done right. After realising how
expensive those scaley swimmy things can be im not surprised people go to such lengths to protect them.
Why would protecting the pond with an electric fence be asking for trouble btw. Farmers use them. I guess you need to make sure signs are put up. Lets
just hope the foxes dont learn to read or recognise the shapes......... and im not being daft here. Any fox that has had a jolt or 2 on a farm might
just realise what the warning signs are. Next doors cat on the other hand might get a bit of a scare though!
What about just using one of those cat scarer PIR noise emitting things? Are any of those tuned to foxes hearing? Might be worth asking at an
agricultural suppliers.
[Edited on 3/6/13 by DarrenW]
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