britishtrident
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 03:40 PM |
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Originally posted by andyps
I am sure I am not the only one who remembers towards the end of the 1999 season when Ferrari were found to have illegal barge boards on their car
during the penultimate race, Ross Brawn standing before the TV cameras explaining and demonstrating how the parts were illegal, something he also
explained to Patrick Head of Williams in a private conversation. In other words, they had run illegal parts. Somehow, a week or so later they managed
to convince an FIA court that the part was actually intended to be legal, but they made it wrong - by a factor of almost 10mm! Now, on this forum
people talk about making a chassis from metal sticks on a piece of wood in their own garage and get better dimensional accuracy than this so I do not
for one second believe that Ferrari had such lax processes on the production of F1 cars. Trouble is, the FIA believed them.
Perhaps the FIA big boss applies the engineering standards of the his defunct March enginnering.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Russ-Turner
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 09:23 PM |
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Originally posted by iank
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Originally posted by Russ-Turner
Everybody 'cheats' and does their upmost to circumnavigate the rules throughout motorsport, everybody!
I disagree, or maybe we agree but don't use the same definitions.
Everyone in motorsport reads the regulations and tries to find loopholes and areas not considered, yes. But cheating is knowingly breaking a
regulation and trying to hide the fact in my book. I don't believe that routinely happens in every team or indeed in all motorsport. In fact
it's rather rare outside F1 because the punishments tend to be rather harsh (see what happened to Toyota in Rallying for example)
Trust me. I work in motorsport and it does routinely happen. I'm not talking about a transfer of information between teams as staff members move
around I'm talking about blatant, out and out cheating.
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iank
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 10:21 PM |
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Originally posted by Russ-Turner
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Originally posted by iank
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Originally posted by Russ-Turner
Everybody 'cheats' and does their upmost to circumnavigate the rules throughout motorsport, everybody!
I disagree, or maybe we agree but don't use the same definitions.
Everyone in motorsport reads the regulations and tries to find loopholes and areas not considered, yes. But cheating is knowingly breaking a
regulation and trying to hide the fact in my book. I don't believe that routinely happens in every team or indeed in all motorsport. In fact
it's rather rare outside F1 because the punishments tend to be rather harsh (see what happened to Toyota in Rallying for example)
Trust me. I work in motorsport and it does routinely happen. I'm not talking about a transfer of information between teams as staff members move
around I'm talking about blatant, out and out cheating.
I take it from your choice of 'everybody' that the team you work for cheats using my definition of deliberately breaking rules and hiding
the fact.
In which case I'm shocked. It's morally no better than weightlifters taking steroids, athletes taking pseudoefedrin or cyclists blood
doping IMO. Time for 4 year/life bans for designers to clean up the sport if it's true.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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andyps
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 11:22 PM |
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Originally posted by Russ-TurnerTrust me. I work in motorsport and it does routinely happen. I'm not talking about a transfer of
information between teams as staff members move around I'm talking about blatant, out and out cheating.
I am guessing that with a comment like that you don't want to disclose who you work for, but maybe you would at least let us know what level of
motorsport you are referring to here.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 19/10/07 at 12:43 AM |
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Originally posted by iank
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Originally posted by Russ-Turner
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Originally posted by iank
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Originally posted by Russ-Turner
Everybody 'cheats' and does their upmost to circumnavigate the rules throughout motorsport, everybody!
I disagree, or maybe we agree but don't use the same definitions.
Everyone in motorsport reads the regulations and tries to find loopholes and areas not considered, yes. But cheating is knowingly breaking a
regulation and trying to hide the fact in my book. I don't believe that routinely happens in every team or indeed in all motorsport. In fact
it's rather rare outside F1 because the punishments tend to be rather harsh (see what happened to Toyota in Rallying for example)
Trust me. I work in motorsport and it does routinely happen. I'm not talking about a transfer of information between teams as staff members move
around I'm talking about blatant, out and out cheating.
I take it from your choice of 'everybody' that the team you work for cheats using my definition of deliberately breaking rules and hiding
the fact.
In which case I'm shocked. It's morally no better than weightlifters taking steroids, athletes taking pseudoefedrin or cyclists blood
doping IMO. Time for 4 year/life bans for designers to clean up the sport if it's true.
Ferrari NEVER break any rules though - whiter than white!!!! Just those McClaren boys need fining $50m as they are the only ones guilty!!!!!!!!!!
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Russ-Turner
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| posted on 19/10/07 at 05:16 PM |
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Originally posted by andyps
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Originally posted by Russ-TurnerTrust me. I work in motorsport and it does routinely happen. I'm not talking about a transfer of
information between teams as staff members move around I'm talking about blatant, out and out cheating.
I am guessing that with a comment like that you don't want to disclose who you work for, but maybe you would at least let us know what level of
motorsport you are referring to here.
You'll have to read about it in my memoirs I'm afraid. Don't want to say any more than that.
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