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Originally posted by perksy

I really don't think the press/papers are helping and some folks are acting as though its the end of the world, It isn't...

Worth remembering that between 8000 & 10,000 people die just about every year due to the Flu

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Easy for people to say without significant underlying conditions, not in the prime risk category, to say. Attitudes like this are why my next door neighbour is still walking about happily, spitting on the floor, going to the shops and handling all the stuff I have to touch and saying "yeah I had the symptoms but it's nothing more than the flu - people will get over it". Other people's blase attitude add to why I have lock myself away and take extra precautions - it's at times like this that you see people only think of themselves.

Remember:

1) Flu has a vaccine and still kills 20K people a year in the UK. This has no vaccine and a ~10x higher death rate in those it does infect.
2) In the general population the death rate is ~2-3% ish. In the at risk categories it's 20%. Would you like to be staring 20% in the face? Remember it's not all older folks in that category, it's plenty of people for who day to day avoidance of illness was *already* a real effort.

The number of specialists who have come out and said "if you think this is just the flu, you're sadly mistaken". I don't think any NHS staff member should be taking the line you have, given the NHS and WHO opinions, though I note you're not medically qualified.

[Edited on 19/3/20 by coyoteboy]

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Originally posted by bart
I'm now going to RANT about ventilator beds
and not about the lack but what they are trying to do.

in my work life I design products and project manage , and I am astounded at the lack of thought going into the "build more Ventilator's "

what is needed is a
what's the simplest quickest to build ventilator beds we can get away with approach
if we sat down the people who really know down , I'd lay what's left of my pension pot ! that we don't need the sophistication
and bells and whistle's and flashing lights that we see on modern ventilator beds that they are trying to make.
I don't know all the details but if the 1950-70's ventilator's work good enough to keep the vast majority alive
and they where just electro mechanical then that's what we make
find one - strip it down draw up the plans -with enough engineers 48 hrs tops
distribute the plans to subcontract engineering company's
4-5 days later parts start to arrive
assemble them where ever ! test to a specification
bingo in 2 weeks we have the first 100 beds then ramp up within 3 to 4 weeks 2000 a week easy

I tried to help and register but was told because I had never been involved with a CE approved ventilator I would not be needed

you don't need CE approval to stop people dying. this is a simple managed design and manufacture task , i'm lost for words

re " not enough staff "
again staff don't need 2 years training , for example in a ward of say 50 beds a couple of fully trained per shift - then inverted pyramid down structure to Intelligent bed watchers at each bed or two . if necessary pulled from say teachers ect

I know i'm going to get some real flack for this comment , but for %--% sake someone just needs to get a managed grip of the whole thing.
be that government or "industry"
Rant over !

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Originally posted by bart
I'm now going to RANT about ventilator beds
and not about the lack but what they are trying to do.

in my work life I design products and project manage , and I am astounded at the lack of thought going into the "build more Ventilator's "

what is needed is a
what's the simplest quickest to build ventilator beds we can get away with approach
if we sat down the people who really know down , I'd lay what's left of my pension pot ! that we don't need the sophistication
and bells and whistle's and flashing lights that we see on modern ventilator beds that they are trying to make.
I don't know all the details but if the 1950-70's ventilator's work good enough to keep the vast majority alive
and they where just electro mechanical then that's what we make
find one - strip it down draw up the plans -with enough engineers 48 hrs tops
distribute the plans to subcontract engineering company's
4-5 days later parts start to arrive
assemble them where ever ! test to a specification
bingo in 2 weeks we have the first 100 beds then ramp up within 3 to 4 weeks 2000 a week easy

I tried to help and register but was told because I had never been involved with a CE approved ventilator I would not be needed

you don't need CE approval to stop people dying. this is a simple managed design and manufacture task , i'm lost for words

re " not enough staff "
again staff don't need 2 years training , for example in a ward of say 50 beds a couple of fully trained per shift - then inverted pyramid down structure to Intelligent bed watchers at each bed or two . if necessary pulled from say teachers ect

I know i'm going to get some real flack for this comment , but for %--% sake someone just needs to get a managed grip of the whole thing.
be that government or "industry"
Rant over !

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Originally posted by HowardB
this was a blast of ice cold reality

sky_news

apologies if you have already seen it,.

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That's very noble but in this world it is everyone for himself.

Nobody needs a tank like SUV but people buy them so when they are in an accident, they are not crumpled but the other people. .

Doing one big shop reduces the number of trips to the shops and thus exposure.

You cannot blame people for wanting to look after themselves or their families.

I'm not saying it is right or wrong but we live in difficult times.

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Originally posted by 02GF74
That's very noble but in this world it is everyone for himself.

Nobody needs a tank like SUV but people buy them so when they are in an accident, they are not crumpled but the other people. .

Doing one big shop reduces the number of trips to the shops and thus exposure.

You cannot blame people for wanting to look after themselves or their families.

I'm not saying it is right or wrong but we live in difficult times.

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There's a huge difference between a normal "big shop" & the sort of panic buying & hoarding we've seen recently. Taking more than you reasonably need when there are people out there with immune system deficiencies etc who genuinely NEED to use hand gel etc regularly is tantamount to gbh, potentially manslaughter.
So far as I'm concerned anyone panic buying & hoarding are utter scum. I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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The supply chain has food etc. It's people buying silly amounts. The shops are doing Christmas trade every day.

I think round here the panic buying has stopped

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Originally posted by MikeR
The supply chain has food etc. It's people buying silly amounts. The shops are doing Christmas trade every day.

I think round here the panic buying has stopped

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Originally posted by ReMan

I think round here the panic buying has stopped

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Originally posted by bart
I'm now going to RANT about ventilator beds
and not about the lack but what they are trying to do.

in my work life I design products and project manage , and I am astounded at the lack of thought going into the "build more Ventilator's "

what is needed is a
what's the simplest quickest to build ventilator beds we can get away with approach
if we sat down the people who really know down , I'd lay what's left of my pension pot ! that we don't need the sophistication
and bells and whistle's and flashing lights that we see on modern ventilator beds that they are trying to make.
I don't know all the details but if the 1950-70's ventilator's work good enough to keep the vast majority alive
and they where just electro mechanical then that's what we make
find one - strip it down draw up the plans -with enough engineers 48 hrs tops
distribute the plans to subcontract engineering company's
4-5 days later parts start to arrive
assemble them where ever ! test to a specification
bingo in 2 weeks we have the first 100 beds then ramp up within 3 to 4 weeks 2000 a week easy

I tried to help and register but was told because I had never been involved with a CE approved ventilator I would not be needed

you don't need CE approval to stop people dying. this is a simple managed design and manufacture task , i'm lost for words

re " not enough staff "
again staff don't need 2 years training , for example in a ward of say 50 beds a couple of fully trained per shift - then inverted pyramid down structure to Intelligent bed watchers at each bed or two . if necessary pulled from say teachers ect

I know i'm going to get some real flack for this comment , but for %--% sake someone just needs to get a managed grip of the whole thing.
be that government or "industry"
Rant over !

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There's a huge difference between a normal "big shop" & the sort of panic buying & hoarding we've seen recently. Taking more than you reasonably need when there are people out there with immune system deficiencies etc who genuinely NEED to use hand gel etc regularly is tantamount to gbh, potentially manslaughter.
So far as I'm concerned anyone panic buying & hoarding are utter scum. I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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Who's doing that though? I've only seen people like me, trying to buy what they normally buy and failing. I was at Asda at 545 on Friday morning because going at normal times means you come home empty handed.

Didn't see anyone buying in bulk. In fact that would be impossible now anyway but despite that shelves are empty.

I think maybe we need ration cards ASAP as food is very obviously in short supply. I hope that is just the supply chain catching up but fear it isn't.

Stu

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